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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well yes but that's what I mean. Labour steered heavily center from their position on the left to appeal to borderline Tories whilst not alienating too many Labour supporters and thus, New Labour.

Labour is heading left again, we are a decade into Tory rule again, and to break that scenario there needs to be that "Labour-Tory-Lite" option... But it's increasingly seeming that another Labour shift to the center is unlikely this time round, and thus, a "New Party" is needed to fill that position.

Right but it was a change that came from within Labour, it might have appealed to some wavering Tory voters but I don't think there was any Tory involvement at the heart of it