[Jodie.]

Originally Posted by Epic.

There's being vile and entertaining and then there's just vile. The Shahbaz stuff was just vile and there was no one to even support during it so I struggle to form any cohesive entertainment value out of it.

And honestly, I never got the 'Everyone in BB6 is nasty' argument that's quite common. The only outright nasty people I can think of were Lesley, Saskia, Maxwell, Derek and Makosi (and Craig in the later stages but this is only about the first week). Besides that, the easiest way to compare the cast is just by saying they're really over the top. When putting it side by side with BB7, I found BB6's first week arguments much more panto than watching Shahbaz mentally destroy himself followed by being isolated and harassed by most of the house. I don't even know why BB7 is winning the poll. It may have provided 'talking points' but if that's going to be used as an argument it kind of needs quality to back it up. It's a very quantity over quality approach to have and I don't even recall anything else of importance happening in the first week apart from messy Shahbaz.

I agree with the first bit in bold. Eg I found Katie Hopkins vile yet I thought she was extremely entertaining, and Helen was vile but I didn’t find most of her arguments entertaining. There’s no definite answer to this because people have different bars of what entertainment is and people have different limits on what is vile and not vile; some could argue that Shahbaz brought some of the isolation upon himself, hence not thinking the whole situation was too vile.

And honestly, I never got the 'Everyone in BB6 is nasty' argument that's quite common. The only outright nasty people I can think of were Lesley, Saskia, Maxwell, Derek and Makosi (and Craig in the later stages but this is only about the first week).

Okay sorry but the people you listed were the most entertaining in BB6, so doesn’t this prove my point that being vile doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad thing?

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Jordi.

I agree with the first bit in bold. Eg I found Katie Hopkins vile yet I thought she was extremely entertaining, and Helen was vile but I didn’t find most of her arguments entertaining. There’s no definite answer to this because people have different bars of what entertainment is and people have different limits on what is vile and not vile; some could argue that Shahbaz brought some of the isolation upon himself, hence not thinking the whole situation was too vile.

Yeah sure the 'vile vs vile but entertaining' argument is very subjective so I'm not going to think it's unacceptable for people to favor BB7s first week the most or anything like that. But I will say it's weird how many seem to favor it yet Shahbaz's treatment I'd argue was even worse than what Shilpa got, and CBB5 is a very unpopular series that was out at the same time.

Originally Posted by Jordi.

Okay sorry but the people you listed were the most entertaining in BB6, so doesn’t this prove my point that being vile doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad thing?

Well not really. Most people did not find Lesley, Maxwell or Saskia entertaining. They brought a lot sure but none of those people are popular. As for Makosi, Craig and Derek whom I also included, they had other traits apart from being nasty people that makes them groundbreaking and classic housemates to many people; they're not really defined as being spiteful.

(also Kemal and Science are usually seen as 10x more entertaining than the outright nasty people of BB6 with no other traits (Lesley, Saskia, Maxwell) and both are as popular as the nasty but entertaining housemates like Makosi, Craig and Derek, an opinion by many.)

BB6 could be very nasty at times, there's no denying that, but there's much more of a balance to it, and its consistently nasty people like Makosi, Craig and Derek have a lot of humour and personality chimed in that makes them stellar housemates. In Shahbaz's case all I can really take from it is feeling bad for someone who emotionally drained themselves; it's also objectively less comedic than BB6 since BB7s first week was mostly about Shahbaz's negative impact on the house and the house's negative impact on him.

[Jodie.]

Originally Posted by Epic.

Yeah sure the 'vile vs vile but entertaining' argument is very subjective so I'm not going to think it's unacceptable for people to favor BB7s first week the most or anything like that. But I will say it's weird how many seem to favor it yet Shahbaz's treatment I'd argue was even worse than what Shilpa got, and CBB5 is a very unpopular series that was out at the same time.


Well not really. Most people did not find Lesley, Maxwell or Saskia entertaining. They brought a lot sure but none of those people are popular. As for Makosi, Craig and Derek whom I also included, they had other traits apart from being nasty people that makes them groundbreaking and classic housemates to many people; they're not really defined as being spiteful.

(also Kemal and Science are usually seen as 10x more entertaining than the outright nasty people of BB6 with no other traits (Lesley, Saskia, Maxwell) and both are as popular as the nasty but entertaining housemates like Makosi, Craig and Derek, an opinion by many.)

BB6 could be very nasty at times, there's no denying that, but there's much more of a balance to it, and its consistently nasty people like Makosi, Craig and Derek have a lot of humour and personality chimed in that makes them stellar housemates. In Shahbaz's case all I can really take from it is feeling bad for someone who emotionally drained themselves; it's also objectively less comedic than BB6 since BB7s first week was mostly about Shahbaz's negative impact on the house and the house's negative impact on him.

I think maybe the reason people don’t see Shahbaz’s treatment as that bad was because it happened in the first week and we got to see what the other HM’s were like later on. I know we’re only supposed to focus on the first week but idk whether it’s just me or not but I find it hard to look back and judge a HM and say that they were vile when they turn out alright. When I typed this Nikki cane to mind; she was awful when (I think she told the boys to take his clothes?) but because she spent so long being there and I ended up loving her, I shouldn’t do but I tend to disregard anything negative she did lol I’m so biased I need to work on that </3 also I don’t mean this in a belittling way but I think it was you who rewatched BB7 and mentioned that they had experienced being isolated before, so I guess that might have an impact on why you think the first week was so vile, because you could relate to it and you could feel how they were feeling?

And personally, I found Lesley, Saskia and Maxwell (although Lesley not as much) very entertaining. Again, I think this is subjective as to what entertains you and what kind of HM you like, eg I know I’m in the minority but I think Kemal is extremely overrated and I would rather watch a series with Saxwell in than Kemal in. I agree about the balance part though, and that’s why the three HM’s you mentioned are my faves of BB6, along with Science.

Again back to Shahbaz, I can’t say this is a nicer way really but I found him comedic, some of the things he came out with I just loved. And the fact that every single episode for a week revolved round him made me look forward to the next episode, as I would think to myself “oh what will Shahbaz do now/next lol” sort of the way my friend broke her arm, then as soon as it got better she broke it again, then when that healed she broke her leg in the sense that what actually happens isn’t very nice but it’s comedic and a joke like what’s gonna happen next lol. That might not have made sense but I’m quite tired sorry I can never say what I’m thinking like I always need to over complicate what I’m trying to say so when you read this, if you get what I mean but think of a better way of saying it then your probably right lol