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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its not losing an argument though is it. When two people are up against a dozen who mock, clap and laugh at anything we say its more like losing the will to live.



Its funny how counter argument is often accused of being off topic or pointless waffle. There are plenty of answers coming from your opposition. Just because you don't agree doesn't make them 'no answers'!


I'd like to see you sit in my shoes for a day in here. Even when I write something positive and agreeable, people jump on me and pick holes in what I say. It feels like I'm surrounded by spit hating enemies. I've watched people like me on here stop posting or apologizing upfront before they post anything that may cause a reaction by a mob of posters. Sometimes its clearly a case of, if you can't beat em, join em.
I've had emails on here telling me certain people pm him and try and pester him to come and join in a thread to knock me back. Perhaps he's just a siht stirrer but whether its true or not, its an insidious style of bullying. And yes, I do feel bullied. Perhaps that's because as well as being sensitive towards other peoples misfortune, I'm also sensitive by nature. That doesn't make me a weak person, it just makes me someone who cares passionately about certain issues.


Oh come on Kirk, you love a heated debate.
You keep saying 'losing' as though this is some sort of competition. Does there have to be a winner and a loser in a debate? How many people on here come up with long counter arguments? you do but you are one few, not many. If you want to make this a competition then allow for real counter argument and stop believing that the one liner brigade count in a debate.


There are a few people in here who want to get energetic with a post and want to put in their ten penneth worth. There are people in here who seem to thrive on anger and look for insult. This is why threads often go on page after page.

I only come on here because I'm politically minded and enjoy a debate but the debates on here of late have become so one sided because most of the Left no longer post. I'm only here because I'm stubborn and refuse to be chased out but I can't see that lasting. I'm finding it all a bit much. I left here last night feeling so frustrated. I woke up last night thinking about some of the things some people on here are saying and I lay there feeling thoroughly deflated. This isn't a healthy environment for people like me who sit to the Left so I doubt I'll be around on here much longer.


See, there you go, accusing us of tosh. Apart from when I'm replying to flippant troll like posts, I give time and thought to my responses. Just as you have knowledge from your sources, I have knowledge from mine. I am staunchly anti-racist. I'm passionate about human rights and I believe May and her government are dreadful. Those are the things that I talk about, debate, try and reason with.

After re-reading what I've just written, the realization that this place is, on an emotional level, a very unhealthy place for me to express any opinion. I've just sold a painting. We've just bought a new home and I've just had a promotion at work but I'm on here getting frustrated and depressed. I think its time I went off and enjoyed the fruits of my labor.

..since reading your words, DR...I’ve deliberated a bit about whether I should respond...I haven’t contributed to this discussion is one thing...but also, I personally have often felt hostility from you, from the off really...so I’m probably not the right person, anyway....but hey ho, here I am.....

...you say it’s not a competition with a winner../..loser, type thing...which is true, that isn’t what ‘debate’ is in its fundamentals...but then..(..you appear, unless I’m misunderstanding...)...to have looked through past threads and then brought some things from those into this thread...things that have no value or bearing to anti-semitism within the Labour Party...which does very much have a feeling of...haha, there you go...of it being a competition of ‘having the last word’...that you yourself feel as though there has to be a ‘winner or a loser’ as well....I mean, I just can’t see any other value of bringing in past threads and past words etc...


...’spit hating enemies’...I read your blog DR about detoxing..?...and you mentioned ‘hate’ in there...(...I did want to do a post in the blog but it’s didnt seem to have the facility for response..)...you have assumed ‘hate’ from others for you...?...there are many emotions I think we all see in SD, particularly with political debates...but ‘hate’ is not one of those emotions I personally have ever seen from anyone and for anyone...irritation, anger, frustration etc and such the like ...and yes, that has led to ‘personal and insulting’...on many occasions from different people...but even through that, hate has never been displayed so far as I can see....and yet you say that you feel hate yourself toward people...that’s something I think you need to address yourself, DR...whether you do genuinely feel ‘hate’ toward forum members...but I doubt you do though...I mean genuinely feel it...you just don’t seem like a ‘hate’ person to me....but you do seem like a very frustrated person...when you say..’even when I post something positive’...?...hmmmmm, well I guess when you’ve expressed much negativity about the forum in general and specific people etc also...that positive stuff has kind of been countered somewhat...so maybe ‘holes are picked’ more readily because of negativity and hostility others have felt from you as well..?...I don’t know, I am trying to put myself in your shoes, as you say DR...but I’m also trying to slip on the shoes of others as well...to try to see why the whole thing of political stuff does seem to be more ‘point scoring’ and a winner../..loser thing....


...anyways DR...with your last paragraph and how things in your life are for you know atm...maybe it’s time for you not to be here any more and to go off and enjoy...?...etc....but you have and have had all of those things in your life..and yet you’ve still felt you’ve wanted to be part of discussions on TiBB because as you say, you’re politically minded...so that ‘political mind’ needs a voice as well and a release to create balance...how could you keep your political mind if you just go off and enjoy all the good stuff in your life right now......


...what I’m trying to say, DR...is that I feel quite confident that there is no ‘hate’ felt toward you from anyone on this forum...(..regardless of how frustrating some threads can become at times..)...and I also feel and sense that you don’t feel ‘hate’ either toward anyone....you’re here as we all are..because despite all of ‘the silliness and mess’ at times...we all get something quite positive from being here as well...so log back on when you’re ready, yeah....