[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it would be interesting to know if the couple themselves would want the flowers taken down by residents or if they would want the grief to be allowed in this way...

Since they can't go back to their home due to threats and intimidation, what do you think? It's not an act of grief, its clearly an act of intimidation.

I would imagine that both the pensioner and his wife are devastated by events. He's killed someone, was forced to, do they really need all this drama as well?

If someone in my family had the habit of going armed into elderly peoples homes to rob them I'd be ashamed, and appalled, not floating around with tributes to 'the boy' of 39. Loving someone doesn't mean you have to exclude them from all moral norms.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Since they can't go back to their home due to threats and intimidation, what do you think? It's not an act of grief, its clearly an act of intimidation.

I would imagine that both the pensioner and his wife are devastated by events. He's killed someone, was forced to, do they really need all this drama as well?

If someone in my family had the habit of going armed into elderly peoples homes to rob them I'd be ashamed, and appalled, not floating around with tributes to 'the boy' of 39. Loving someone doesn't mean you have to exclude them from all moral norms.

..that’s what I’ve been thinking exactly, Jaxie...what would I think , how would I feel about ‘this drama as well’ with how devastated their lives are atm...in how it’s escalating atm....which won’t lead to them feeling secure and safe in returning to their home, surely...(..if they intend to return obviously..)....taking another person’s life, well I can’t even imagine how that would feel, no matter what the circumstances...but to respect the couple as well as I’m sure residents have in their feelings and emotions...wouldn’t it be to not participate in escalating so their neighbours can return to their home as soon as possible...for all ‘healing’ to begin for all....

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that’s what I’ve been thinking exactly, Jaxie...what would I think , how would I feel about ‘this drama as well’ with how devastated their lives are atm...in how it’s escalating atm....which won’t lead to them feeling secure and safe in returning to their home, surely...(..if they intend to return obviously..)....taking another person’s life, well I can’t even imagine how that would feel, no matter what the circumstances...but to respect the couple as well as I’m sure residents have in their feelings and emotions...wouldn’t it be to not participate in escalating so their neighbours can return to their home as soon as possible...for all ‘healing’ to begin for all....

Its not just about the couple that have been robbed though. It's about all the local residents who have probably been targeted by the same burgling group in the past and likely will in the future. The flowers could be interpreted as a message .... "we are still here, and we are not going anywhere" If I were a local resident, I wouldn't want this bunch anywhere near where I lived, and there they are putting up a big sign saying ... "WE ARE HERE" I find it all rather troubling

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its not just about the couple that have been robbed though. It's about all the local residents who have probably been targeted by the same burgling group in the past and likely will in the future. The flowers could be interpreted as a message .... "we are still here, and we are not going anywhere" If I were a local resident, I wouldn't want this bunch anywhere near where I lived, and there they are putting up a big sign saying ... "WE ARE HERE" I find it all rather troubling

...hmmmm, it’s just that I haven’t seen any of those media stories though, bots...with the heightened emotions of the residents atm over the flower tributes ... there have been no words in the media from the residents of them being targeted by burgers or any ‘groups’ in the past so far as I know, I could be wrong with that...of any specific troubles the neighbourhood../..area has and has had in the leading up to this horrific thing and specifically involving the travelling community...there are no media stories of ‘intimidation’ that has or may have been felt...it’s all how the tributes are being interpreted as being ‘threatening’...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmmm, it’s just that I haven’t seen any of those media stories though, bots...with the heightened emotions of the residents atm over the flower tributes ... there have been no words in the media from the residents of them being targeted by burgers or any ‘groups’ in the past so far as I know, I could be wrong with that...of any specific troubles the neighbourhood../..area has and has had in the leading up to this horrific thing...there are no media stories of ‘intimidation’ that has or may have been felt...it’s all how the tributes are being interpreted as being ‘threatening’...

I don't believe for a moment that this was the first time this group burgled a house in the area, or some other area in the past. Burglary is a way of life, intimidation is a way of life, and these people know exactly what they are doing.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I don't believe for a moment that this was the first time this group burgled a house in the area, or some other area in the past. Burglary is a way of life, intimidation is a way of life, and these people know exactly what they are doing.

...but yet no ‘angered resident’ has stated that to the media in anything they’ve said with their reasoning also, so far as I can see ...that burglaries are an issue in that area...which is interesting also...actually I’m just having thoughts about the Tony Martin case...with one of the first things said there in the media...’that travellers had been a problem in the area’ leading up to...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but yet no ‘angered resident’ has stated that to the media in anything they’ve said with their reasoning also, so far as I can see ...that burglaries are an issue in that area...which is interesting also...actually I’m just having thoughts about the Tony Martin case...with one of the first things said there in the media...’that travellers had been a problem in the area’ leading up to...

They said on the BBC news yesterday some of the residents wouldn't be interviewed because they are afraid and have been threatened and the couple have had to be taken into protective custody due to threats. Just because the police aren't releasing the threats to the world doesn't mean they aren't happening though.

It was also widely reported that this man and other member of the family are a gang that prey on the elderly and disabled and have previously been convicted of doing so and served prison time.