[Parmy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Oh it's only intent to murder and grevious bodily harm. I get it now.

I am bemused why some people feel a need to try to excuse someone who went into someone elses house with a weapon.

Weapon = intent. Let's not kid ourselves. That struggle in that kitchen was a struggle for survival.

A burglar with a screwdriver..perhaps needed to i dunno....unscrew things!!

[bots]

Originally Posted by parmnion

A burglar with a screwdriver..perhaps needed to i dunno....unscrew things!!

ah right, that makes so much more sense. He was there to do some surprise DIY for them. I mean, if he had a knife, he was probably going to peel some potatoes, right?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ah right, that makes so much more sense. He was there to do some surprise DIY for them. I mean, if he had a knife, he was probably going to peel some potatoes, right?

If he had a knife then i could believe he went with the intention of harming someone..he didnt though, he went with a screwdriver..a tool i would imagine a burglar may need both to get in and once in!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If he had a knife then i could believe he went with the intention of harming someone..he didnt though, he went with a screwdriver..a tool i would imagine a burglar may need both to get in and once in!

When I was a girl I knew some boys who lived on our estate and went a party. There was an argument and they were asked to leave. They went back armed, one of them with a screwdriver. A boy was killed by the screwdriver to his brain and the boy who did it went to jail. He was the older brother of a girl I was friendly with, nice family generally. He went back with the screwdriver and his intent wasn't DIY. People have been using screwdrivers as weapons for years. Sad but true.

To assume the screwdriver was taken to unscrew something is a very naive view.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If he had a knife then i could believe he went with the intention of harming someone..he didnt though, he went with a screwdriver..a tool i would imagine a burglar may need both to get in and once in!

If you go tooled up into any situation, you have to be aware.it can be taken from you and used against you. The fact that he apparently had the screwdriver to the home owner's throat shows he had the intent to use it as a weapon

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If you go tooled up into any situation, you have to be aware.it can be taken from you and used against you. The fact that he apparently had the screwdriver to the home owner's throat shows he had the intent to use it as a weapon

We only have one mans word for that fact.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by parmnion

We only have one mans word for that fact.

And you're summising that he took a screwdriver to unscrew things during a night time robbery with the occupants at home? Not sure why you are trying to defend this man, I can get your stance on the relatives and flowers and whole traveller community and agree in some extent to that but the man was robbing the house of 2 oaps....armed with an offensive weapon, whether he intended to use it as a weapon is immaterial, he was breaking the law and committing a crime end of.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

And you're summising that he took a screwdriver to unscrew things during a night time robbery with the occupants at home? Not sure why you are trying to defend this man, I can get your stance on the relatives and flowers and whole traveller community and agree in some extent to that but the man was robbing the house of 2 oaps....armed with an offensive weapon, whether he intended to use it as a weapon is immaterial, he was breaking the law and committing a crime end of.

Just a spanner in the works, how did it go from the old age pensioner having the screw driver to his throat to him disarming a man half his age and stabbing him?

This poor old man must Arnold swarznigger

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

And you're summising that he took a screwdriver to unscrew things during a night time robbery with the occupants at home? Not sure why you are trying to defend this man, I can get your stance on the relatives and flowers and whole traveller community and agree in some extent to that but the man was robbing the house of 2 oaps....armed with an offensive weapon, whether he intended to use it as a weapon is immaterial, he was breaking the law and committing a crime end of.

Whats offensive about a screwdriver?