[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not "painting him pink", I said he was doing things that were immoral and awful, but they're still not on par with mass murder or terrorism. In my opinion obviously. I guess some people might think they are .

Oh it's only intent to murder and grevious bodily harm. I get it now.

I am bemused why some people feel a need to try to excuse someone who went into someone elses house with a weapon.

Weapon = intent. Let's not kid ourselves. That struggle in that kitchen was a struggle for survival.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Oh it's only intent to murder and grevious bodily harm. I get it now.

I am bemused why some people feel a need to try to excuse someone who went into someone elses house with a weapon.

Weapon = intent. Let's not kid ourselves. That struggle in that kitchen was a struggle for survival.

So you do think it's on a par with mass murder or terrorism?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So you do think it's on a par with mass murder or terrorism?

If the intention is to do harm it is the same intention, isn't it?

Is an elderly person's life at home worth less somehow?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If the intention is to do harm it is the same intention, isn't it?

Is an elderly person's life at home worth less somehow?

No, and again (despite apparent desperation to claim that I am) I'm not making excuses for the guy nor am I saying it's wrong that he was stabbed..

... But I find the assertion that a burglary with a screwdriver (which shows willingness to cause physical harm, not intent) is as bad as mass murder or terrorism to be pretty out there. But it's your opinion and I'm not trying to force you to change it? My opinion is that, as bad as it is, it's not on that same level. We can surely agree to disagree here.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No, and again (despite apparent desperation to claim that I am) I'm not making excuses for the guy nor am I saying it's wrong that he was stabbed..

... But I find the assertion that a burglary with a screwdriver (which shows willingness to cause physical harm, not intent) is as bad as mass murder or terrorism to be pretty out there. But it's your opinion and I'm not trying to force you to change it? My opinion is that, as bad as it is, it's not on that same level. We can surely agree to disagree here.

If there was no intent then you wouldn't take the screwdriver with you. There are burglaries without weaponry.

I don't think there are degrees of bad when it comes to the word murder personally, someone or someone's are dead it's pretty bad all round.

In this case I feel pretty sorry for the person who has been forced to kill someone in self defence. Now there is no intent, just horrible circumstance.

We can agree to disagree, but you ruined the sentiment and the point and weight of your post with the highlighted jibe.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Oh it's only intent to murder and grevious bodily harm. I get it now.

I am bemused why some people feel a need to try to excuse someone who went into someone elses house with a weapon.

Weapon = intent. Let's not kid ourselves. That struggle in that kitchen was a struggle for survival.

A burglar with a screwdriver..perhaps needed to i dunno....unscrew things!!

[bots]

Originally Posted by parmnion

A burglar with a screwdriver..perhaps needed to i dunno....unscrew things!!

ah right, that makes so much more sense. He was there to do some surprise DIY for them. I mean, if he had a knife, he was probably going to peel some potatoes, right?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ah right, that makes so much more sense. He was there to do some surprise DIY for them. I mean, if he had a knife, he was probably going to peel some potatoes, right?

If he had a knife then i could believe he went with the intention of harming someone..he didnt though, he went with a screwdriver..a tool i would imagine a burglar may need both to get in and once in!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If he had a knife then i could believe he went with the intention of harming someone..he didnt though, he went with a screwdriver..a tool i would imagine a burglar may need both to get in and once in!

When I was a girl I knew some boys who lived on our estate and went a party. There was an argument and they were asked to leave. They went back armed, one of them with a screwdriver. A boy was killed by the screwdriver to his brain and the boy who did it went to jail. He was the older brother of a girl I was friendly with, nice family generally. He went back with the screwdriver and his intent wasn't DIY. People have been using screwdrivers as weapons for years. Sad but true.

To assume the screwdriver was taken to unscrew something is a very naive view.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If he had a knife then i could believe he went with the intention of harming someone..he didnt though, he went with a screwdriver..a tool i would imagine a burglar may need both to get in and once in!

If you go tooled up into any situation, you have to be aware.it can be taken from you and used against you. The fact that he apparently had the screwdriver to the home owner's throat shows he had the intent to use it as a weapon

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If you go tooled up into any situation, you have to be aware.it can be taken from you and used against you. The fact that he apparently had the screwdriver to the home owner's throat shows he had the intent to use it as a weapon

We only have one mans word for that fact.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by parmnion

We only have one mans word for that fact.

And you're summising that he took a screwdriver to unscrew things during a night time robbery with the occupants at home? Not sure why you are trying to defend this man, I can get your stance on the relatives and flowers and whole traveller community and agree in some extent to that but the man was robbing the house of 2 oaps....armed with an offensive weapon, whether he intended to use it as a weapon is immaterial, he was breaking the law and committing a crime end of.