[Brillopad]

It should be a hostile environment for illegals - this country does not need the extra burden of people who have no right to be here.

We couldn't just go and force our way in other countries in the West ie Australia, Canada or America. If caught we would rightly be slung out. Why the hell should it be different for illegals whose skin colour is different. Illegal is illegal and has bugger all to do with anything else.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It should be a hostile environment for illegals - this country does not need the extra burden of people who have no right to be here.

We couldn't just go and force our way in other countries in the West ie Australia, Canada or America. If caught we would rightly be slung out. Why the hell should it be different for illegals whose skin colour is different. Illegal is illegal and has bugger all to do with anything else.

The point is that it's a hostile environment for ANY immigrant or hopeful immigrant... nothing to do with the legality. I know of three separate cases where (white, believe it or not) US citizens have been trying to get permanent residence to be in the UK with their partners and, sometimes, children and it involves constant scrutiny, huge invasions into their private lives, and often thousands of pounds. Endless hoops to jump through. The ones I know of have eventually gained the right to stay in the UK, but after literally years of needless stress and turmoil.

Also... we DID force our way into Australia, Canada and America... ...

[kirklancaster]

And ALL because - as with Persistent 'Boy Race' speedsters, Benefit Cheaters, Perpetual Motoring Insurance dodgers and other 'Professional' habituals who do not give 2 flying fecks for any laws - those in Authority find it a lot less hassle to target the normal law-abiding person who may be errant via genuine ignorance or accident or NOT errant at all.

EVERY major incentive by this and other Governments all too often succeeds only in hitting the WRONG targets.

In these UNACCEPTABLE cases - the type highlighted by Jaxie - the poor victims are much LESS likely to be hiding behind any expert knowledge of Human Rights or other PC aides and are much MORE likely to be intimidated and become confused by the State actions against them, than are ANY of the I million or so genuine illegal immigrants.

They are MUCH less likely to be swamped with help and litigation funding by certain organisations as well.

This ENTIRE mess is one HUGE disgrace.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It should be a hostile environment for illegals - this country does not need the extra burden of people who have no right to be here.

We couldn't just go and force our way in other countries in the West ie Australia, Canada or America. If caught we would rightly be slung out. Why the hell should it be different for illegals whose skin colour is different. Illegal is illegal and has bugger all to do with anything else.

The problem is the home office are treating potential visitors and people who are doing the right thing as illegal and in a hostile way. They are treated with extreme suspicion and hostility.

It's not about forcing their way into this country. We have to treat people with respect and with less suspicion when they are making applications.

For instance if someone applies for a visa and you tell them one of their documents needs to be dated this month instead of last month then they should be able to appeal with the updated document rather than having to pay for a new application where they will find some other trivial reason to say no. This is not the person who should be treated with suspicion.