[Withano]

Lol good

[arista]

Sajid Javid is now the New Home Secretary


https://news.sky.com/story/live-rudd...a-may-11353390

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Sajid Javid is now the New Home Secretary


https://news.sky.com/story/live-rudd...a-may-11353390

People whinging that he criticised Momentum in 3, 2, 1 ...

[waterhog]

one down rest of cabinet to go. will not be voting any more. lost faith sorry georgy boy.

[Nicky91]

omg mess

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You are aware it's a Kim Woodburn quote, right? And that I'm utilising it as a joke?

For what it's worth however, I have absolutely no qualms about people using gendered language as insults so long as there's an equivalent, and in this case there is. Terms like 'slut', 'slag' and 'wh*re' are my biggest bugbear because they're inherently sexist and also based on the absurd notion that promiscuity is a problem. You're probably thinking of my aversion to them. I may be a feminist, but I'm not one that thinks women have an inalienable right to not be insulted...that's belittling in itself.

I didn't get that at all to be fair, would still say bitch is an inherently sexist term though or at the very least very degrading

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I didn't get that at all to be fair, would still say bitch is an inherently sexist term though or at the very least very degrading

There's not really much point in language policing. Insults are, well, insulting whether or not they're gendered, and to pick it apart doesn't achieve much. Unless you can find a post where Jack_ says "you shouldn't call someone a bitch because it's sexist", let it go

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I didn't get that at all to be fair, would still say bitch is an inherently sexist term though or at the very least very degrading

Its also a very insulting term, applied to a woman that has used her best efforts to do what is an incredibly difficult job. There is just no need for it.

[Nicky91]

i say good luck Sajid with your new job

[BBUK-Fan]

Amber Rudd for #CBB

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Amber is a very competent MP and I think it's rather telling that she was set up in this and forced to resign, while the opposition seems to get away with anything. Also, for the record, how can labour possibly call for her resignation when they make an absolute mockery of the post by appointing Diane Abbot to the shadow

Probably because Diane Abbot was absolutely nothing to do with the handling of the Windrush scandal, just a hunch.

[Greg!]

I always thought she seemed like a nice enough woman but this whole affair has changed my opinion of her. It sounds like the home office has a culture of hostility towards migrants which doesn't sit right with me. She also blatantly lied, (and if she didn't it just highlights that she's really incompetent)

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by BBUK-Fan

Amber Rudd for #CBB

yeah let’s not

[arista]

Javid disowns PM's 'hostile environment'

https://news.sky.com/story/live-rudd...a-may-11353390

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by arista

Javid disowns PM's 'hostile environment'

https://news.sky.com/story/live-rudd...a-may-11353390

Who cares what he thinks!

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Who cares what he thinks!

.. He's the Home Secretary. Things he says and does actually have an impact.

[jaxie]

It is a hostile environment though. Unfortunately that is an apt description of our immigration policy. Even people wanting to come for a holiday, if they are dating a UK national are refused Visa with the reason that 'we don't believe you and think you will stay illegally'. I've seen it in black and white. To someone who has been to the IK every 2 weeks as part of their job for the last five years. You'd think common sense would tell them the opportunity has been there and not taken. The whole system is illogical and very hostile.

[Oliver_W]

There's nothing wrong with a "hostile environment" toward illegal immigrants, who should of course be removed, it's just a shame when people such as the Windrush generation get caught up in it.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's nothing wrong with a "hostile environment" toward illegal immigrants, who should of course be removed, it's just a shame when people such as the Windrush generation get caught up in it.

The problem is more the hostile environment towards people who are not illegal. Who do the right thing and apply properly. Surely we want to welcome genuine visitors and people married to UK citizens. I saw one case where a woman couldn't come to UK while her husband lived here with her toddler daughter. She should have the right to be with her child.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It is a hostile environment though. Unfortunately that is an apt description of our immigration policy. Even people wanting to come for a holiday, if they are dating a UK national are refused Visa with the reason that 'we don't believe you and think you will stay illegally'. I've seen it in black and white. To someone who has been to the IK every 2 weeks as part of their job for the last five years. You'd think common sense would tell them the opportunity has been there and not taken. The whole system is illogical and very hostile.

Originally Posted by jaxie

The problem is more the hostile environment towards people who are not illegal. Who do the right thing and apply properly. Surely we want to welcome genuine visitors and people married to UK citizens. I saw one case where a woman couldn't come to UK while her husband lived here with her toddler daughter. She should have the right to be with her child.

[bots]

There are a lot of scammers that try to come to the UK and their easiest method is to marry a UK citizen. The other party can be completely innocent and blinded by "love", so the immigration authorities need to do their job and vet the legitimacy of all that apply.

No-one likes being under scrutiny, that's a fact, but I would much rather the checks were there than not.

This is not a UK specific issue. It happens in a large number of countries. I do have sympathy for those subject to new rules and regulations when they have been here for decades. I think that is completely unfair. Their legality should be judged by the entrance criteria that was in force at the time of their arrival, not new rules introduced decades later. If you commit a crime, you are tried and sentenced by the laws that were applicable at the time the offense was committed, I see no difference with respect to immigration.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There are a lot of scammers that try to come to the UK and their easiest method is to marry a UK citizen. The other party can be completely innocent and blinded by "love", so the immigration authorities need to do their job and vet the legitimacy of all that apply.

Right but when it's, for example, a US citizen and the couple has two kids together, why is it still taking several years for people to sort out? It hardly needs an in-depth investigation. "Oh officer, my life in California was just awful! So I've married this British guy and had two children with him to gain access to your magical land of wonder here in the UK".

Obviously there need to be checks, but the current system is ridiculous in a globalised world. People don't meet and fall in love with their high-school sweetheart or the checkout boy from their local supermarket any more... people find love in all corners of the world and want to be together and it's only going to become more and more common. Immigration policies need to start adapting to reflect that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Right but when it's, for example, a US citizen and the couple has two kids together, why is it still taking several years for people to sort out? It hardly needs an in-depth investigation. "Oh officer, my life in California was just awful! So I've married this British guy and had two children with him to gain access to your magical land of wonder here in the UK".

Obviously there need to be checks, but the current system is ridiculous in a globalised world. People don't meet and fall in love with their high-school sweetheart or the checkout boy from their local supermarket any more... people find love in all corners of the world and want to be together and it's only going to become more and more common. Immigration policies need to start adapting to reflect that.

This is absolutely right. I'm definitely not saying there shouldn't be rules but some common sense should be brought to bear.

For example, I have a family member who worked on a cruise ship for 2 years after uni. He became friends with a Filipino steward, they dated and fell in love. He left the ship to find work at home as they were getting serious and his job didn't meet the financial requirements to bring a partner to the UK and there are more opportunities for his type of work here than the Philippines. She carried on working while he was looking for a job so they saw each other every 2 weeks when the ship was in Southampton. It took him about 6 months to find the right job with the right salary. So he is in a new job and has no holidays or time off to take as it's a new job. She goes home on a few months leave and they apply for her to come here as a visitor for a holiday so they can spend some time together and they are turned down 4 times. She had letters to say she'd stay with the family in a house lived in for 20 years. She had spending money and proof. She had letters to say she wouldn't need to pay for accommodation, detailing where she would stay etc. Turned down 4 times. And the last time the refusal more or less said don't bother we don't believe you. It just doesn't make sense. She had been to the UK so many times and never done anything suspicious. They had a lawyer look at the visas who said the applications were perfect, nothing wrong with them. She doesn't specifically want to come to the UK, she want to come where he is so they can be together.

Icing on the cake. You have no right to appeal.

Then after the Visa was turned down and she went back to work, every time she came to Southampton she was harrassed and grilled by immigration for an hour before she was allowed off her ship.

The system is not logical and its nasty.

They are now working on an application to get married.

The funny thing is with a marriage application you have to prove your relationship, yet for the past months it's on internet chat and FaceTime because the state won't let you be together. It lacks all sense.

[Brillopad]

It should be a hostile environment for illegals - this country does not need the extra burden of people who have no right to be here.

We couldn't just go and force our way in other countries in the West ie Australia, Canada or America. If caught we would rightly be slung out. Why the hell should it be different for illegals whose skin colour is different. Illegal is illegal and has bugger all to do with anything else.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It should be a hostile environment for illegals - this country does not need the extra burden of people who have no right to be here.

We couldn't just go and force our way in other countries in the West ie Australia, Canada or America. If caught we would rightly be slung out. Why the hell should it be different for illegals whose skin colour is different. Illegal is illegal and has bugger all to do with anything else.

The point is that it's a hostile environment for ANY immigrant or hopeful immigrant... nothing to do with the legality. I know of three separate cases where (white, believe it or not) US citizens have been trying to get permanent residence to be in the UK with their partners and, sometimes, children and it involves constant scrutiny, huge invasions into their private lives, and often thousands of pounds. Endless hoops to jump through. The ones I know of have eventually gained the right to stay in the UK, but after literally years of needless stress and turmoil.

Also... we DID force our way into Australia, Canada and America... ...