[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

The fact that this was posted on twitter is not relevent. It's his version of what happened that is. He is a "witness". Thanks. If what is said on twitter shouldn't be relevant then Richard Madeley and what's her face shouldn't have brought charges against someone that threatened rape.


Another fun fact. Walmart donated $10000 to support pig, when a black man was killed days earlier by police for holding an air gun from their shelf. And in googling air gun just found news that the same happened to a 12 year old black boy.

Oh I just read about that, awful, poor kid. Here's the link to that story :


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30172433

A 12-year-old boy has died after being shot by police in the US city of Cleveland, after carrying what turned out to be a replica gun in a playground.

Police say an officer fired two shots at Tamir Rice after he failed to obey an order to raise his hands.

He did not make any verbal threats nor point the gun towards the officers.

A lawyer representing his family said it would be carrying out its own investigation into what happened.

The incident comes as a grand jury decision in Ferguson, Missouri, will decide imminently whether to indict a police officer in the fatal shooting death of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager.



His shooting in August in Ferguson sparked days of violent protests in the town, prompting a heavy police crackdown.

'Airsoft'
The boy was shot on Saturday afternoon and died in hospital early on Sunday morning.

Cleveland deputy police chief Ed Tomba said the boy was shot twice after pulling the gun from the waistband of his trousers.


Tamir Rice had a "baby face" according to his family's lawyer Timothy Kucharski
Police said the weapon was an "airsoft" replica gun that resembled a semi-automatic pistol, adding that an orange safety indicator had been removed.

An audio recording of the 911 emergency call made by the man who reported the incident reveals that on two occasions he said that the pistol was "probably a fake" and on another occasion that the person holding it "was probably a juvenile".

The caller also said that he was not sure whether the weapon was "real or not".

But Jeff Follmer, president of the Cleveland police association, said the two officers at the scene were not told about the caller's comments.

One of the officers involved was in his first year on the local force, the other had more than 10 years of experience.

The BBC's David Willis in Washington says an official investigation is under way and both officers have been placed on administrative leave.

Tamir Rice's father, Gregory Henderson, said that police should have used a stun gun - or Taser - to subdue his son rather than shoot him.

"Why not Tase him?" he was quoted as asking by Cleveland.com. "[They] shot him twice, not once, and at the end of the day you all don't shoot for the legs, you shoot for the upper body," he said.

Mr Henderson said that Tamir was a "respectful young man" who "minded his elders", and that it was a mystery to him why his son, reported to be tall for his age, allegedly did not follow police orders.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I just read about that, awful, poor kid. Here's the link to that story :


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30172433

In this case he was Told what to do
he did not.


When police say drop it
you do it fast in America


Its a tragic case
but the Police were doing their job

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

In this case he was Told what to do
he did not.


When police say drop it
you do it fast in America


Its a tragic case
but the Police were doing their job

Yeah but he was a 12 year old child, why did they not Taser him or if they had to shoot, why not the leg or something, why shoot to kill?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah but he was a 12 year old child, why did they not Taser him or if they had to shoot, why not the leg or something, why shoot to kill?

because they thought he had a gun and was waving it around. i can't think of many things more dangerous than a 12 y/o with a gun.

Have you ever tried to reason with a 12 y/o?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah but he was a 12 year old child, why did they not Taser him or if they had to shoot, why not the leg or something, why shoot to kill?

on the street of the USA you cant risk it. The gun looks real to me and the kid looks older than 12

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

on the street of the USA you cant risk it. The gun looks real to me and the kid looks older than 12

He doesn't look that old and the person who reported it mentioned atleast twice to the operator that the gun was probably fake and that the boy was most likely a juvenile

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He doesn't look that old and the person who reported it mentioned atleast twice to the operator that the gun was probably fake and that the boy was most likely a juvenile

yes but if you are a cop in the line of duty "probably a fake" can get you killed and your wife a widow..

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah but he was a 12 year old child, why did they not Taser him or if they had to shoot, why not the leg or something, why shoot to kill?

I do not know about the Taser lack of use.



Yes we find out after
he was a 12 year old playing with a toy.


In America
ok in you home
but to let a child run around
was not good.


Tragic and sad loss

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah but he was a 12 year old child, why did they not Taser him or if they had to shoot, why not the leg or something, why shoot to kill?

This exactly. Tasering wouldn't have killed and if shooting was necessary, to the leg would have been better.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

This exactly. Tasering wouldn't have killed and if shooting was necessary, to the leg would have been better.

because if you believe the kid has a gun it only takes a split second to kill someone.

Why did the kid have a very realistic gun, and why was he threatening other people with it and why were people calling 911 begging cops to come figure it out?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

In this case he was Told what to do
he did not.


When police say drop it
you do it fast in America


Its a tragic case
but the Police were doing their job

Come on Arista FFS. The police's job is not to execute, obviously juvenile kids -- realistic toy gun or not -- when there are other options.

I have seen enough real-life documentaries on US cops to know that in similar situations involving grown men armed with real guns, one cop at least, has his weapon drawn, while the other has his taser at the ready.

It takes no longer to fire a taser than it does a firearm, and when the 'suspect' is quite evidently a child, immobilising should always take precedence over shooting to kill.

The guy who made the 911 emergency call reporting the incident maintains that he said "on two occasions" that the gun was "probably fake" and that the person holding it "was probably a juvenile".

Yet, the police seek to mitigate these trigger-happy pair of rogues by explaining that "the two officers at the scene were not told about the caller's comments."

So fecking what? Whose fault is this monumental, inexcusable, breakdown in police procedure and strategy? Vital information concerning a possible armed suspect is not relayed to the officers in the front line and this is tendered as an excuse?

You can 'bet ya by golly wow', that if the 911 caller had reported that the 'suspect' had been a 20 stone 'gang-banger' wielding a genuine gun, that such vital information would definitely have found its way 'post haste' to any attending officers.

The fact that the police authorities claim that such information was not relayed in the case of a 12 year old with a toy gun, does not ring true to me, and I believe that it was indeed relayed, but ignored by a trigger happy thug who had his own agenda. I believe such a claim by the authorities is an 'after the fact' bit of 'damage limitation' in an attempt to 'close ranks' and protect two of their own.

I also believe that racism is the real cause behind this unacceptable killing, but not institutional racism endemic in the police itself, but rather the deep seated personal racism of at least one of the attending officers.

Any authority attracts maggots who have their own agenda. Sexual deviants, bitter, twisted hate-filled men who were bullied at school, racists, sociopaths, and even psychopaths, all seek roles within the police force, prison service or childrens' homes because those positions empower them, and affords them the opportunities to realise their secret agendas.

The trouble is, that 50 years ago, standards of entry to such authorities and institutions were so rigorous, employment applications by these maggots were - for the most part - rejected out of hand.

Unfortunately, as society degenerates with each passing year, standards fall accordingly, and institutions and authorities have now more than their share of these maggots.

Think about it; policemen and prison officers are not recruited from Mars - they are recruited from the same fecked up degenerate society we all live in. As, indeed are those people who hold the power positions in the organisations which recruit these officers.

Even the 'good guys' in today's police have not the same moral compass as their counterparts of 50 to 60 years ago, because society has not. What was deemed unacceptable behaviour then by individual 'bobbies' and the force in general, does not raise an eyebrow in todays force, or in its individual officers - because it is now acceptable by society's (degenerate) standards.

There are rogues and racists in the police forces of any country, and as long as the authorities place protecting their own before 'protecting and serving' the public interest, then they are as culpable as the maggots they are covering up for.

Finally, the people living in the communities affected by these 'incidents' are not stupid - they 'know' the 'status quo' regarding racism in the police force which serves them, and they should be listened to.

The cost of continually disregarding them and dismissing their testimony is a price which will eventually bankrupt all of us - on both sides of the pond.

[Tom4784]

Terrible, another example of a corrupt and racist police force. It's a shame that, ultimately, crimes like these are doomed to repeat themselves.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Terrible, another example of a corrupt and racist police force. It's a shame that, ultimately, crimes like these are doomed to repeat themselves.

No Dezzy
check LT's photo of the gun the kid had

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

No Dezzy
check LT's photo of the gun the kid had

Considering how quick they are to use them, you'd think a fully trained officer could be able to tell the difference between a toy and the real thing as well.

Never mind the fact that, if there was a situation, the police officer should have diffused the situation calmly or at worst use non lethal force, not shoot a child and realise his mistake afterwards. At best he is an incompetent officer that murdered a child, at worst he is an incompetent racist officer who racially profiled the child and tackled the situation with extreme prejudice.

Would this officer be so quick to fire if the child was white? I think not.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Considering how quick they are to use them, you'd think a fully trained officer could be able to tell the difference between a toy and the real thing as well.

Never mind the fact that, if there was a situation, the police officer should have diffused the situation calmly or at worst use non lethal force, not shoot a child and realise his mistake afterwards. At best he is an incompetent officer that murdered a child, at worst he is an incompetent racist officer who racially profiled the child and tackled the situation with extreme prejudice.

Would this officer be so quick to fire if the child was white? I think not.

Yes he would
if you do not follow the cops instructions
it will be fatal

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Considering how quick they are to use them, you'd think a fully trained officer could be able to tell the difference between a toy and the real thing as well.

Never mind the fact that, if there was a situation, the police officer should have diffused the situation calmly or at worst use non lethal force, not shoot a child and realise his mistake afterwards. At best he is an incompetent officer that murdered a child, at worst he is an incompetent racist officer who racially profiled the child and tackled the situation with extreme prejudice.

Would this officer be so quick to fire if the child was white? I think not.

I hate to say it/think it but I think you're right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The gun was an "airsoft" type replica that resembled a semi-automatic handgun. Fake weapons normally have an orange safety indicator on the muzzle but it had been removed, police said.




The boy did not make any verbal threats but grabbed the replica handgun after being told to raise his hands.

You play with fire...

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The gun was an "airsoft" type replica that resembled a semi-automatic handgun. Fake weapons normally have an orange safety indicator on the muzzle but it had been removed, police said.




The boy did not make any verbal threats but grabbed the replica handgun after being told to raise his hands.

You play with fire...

Yes No Orange plastic
so could be Real.



Police were just doing their Job



Parents in America know the score

[GiRTh]

Agree with Niamh.

There are very few incidents of 12 years old shooting cops so I think the cops might have used a bit more common sense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Agree with Niamh.

There are very few incidents of 12 years old shooting cops so I think the cops might have used a bit more common sense.

they had no idea what age he was and as has been said before kids can get guns easily from homes in USA

he was told to go down but he went for the gun

the cop has a split second to make a decision

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they had no idea what age he was and as has been said before kids can get guns easily from homes in USA

he was told to go down but he went for the gun

the cop has a split second to make a decision

The cop had more than enough info to make a better call. I note that the police are now saying they didnt have the info that the gun may be fake. Its utter incompetence at best and something much more sinister at worse.

[GiRTh]

Also the fact that the emergency call mentioned a number of times that he thought it was fake should also have been taken into consideration. I find it saddening the way the Police are allowed to use such strong arm tactics on children and some people think its justified.

[GiRTh]

Heres another piece of rank incompetence. Starts at about 30 seconds.

Youtube video

Absolute ******ing disgrace and this happened just a few months ago. The cop tells the man to get his ID he goes for it and still gets lit up with the Cop saying he 'Dove' for it. What utter garbage, the man obeyed the officers instruction if the pofficer wanted him to move slower then he should have said 'SLOWLY get your ID'. Thank god this tw*t has been fired. I dont see how any one can defend these wanaqbee soldiers.

[Marc]

Well that'll serve people right; no carrying fake guns

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marc

Well that'll serve people right; no carrying fake guns

the person that called 911 called because the kid was being an asshole and waving around a fake gun intimidating people. He wasn't just playing cops and robbers with his friends, he was being a little wanna be thug intimidating people.

Maybe certain communities should stop raising wanna be thugs, glorifying violence, that either end up being real thugs, or get killed along the way.

Why are we blaming cops for trying to do something about the violence in the communities that have a real violence problem?

If the cops didn't show up then they would be complaining that the police don't care about those communities.

It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.