[T*]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No. They were incredibly unlucky that a paedophile tatgetted them. Incredible bad luck.

They were incredibly reckless and stupid also

[lostalex]

this is like the Ramsey case in the USA, the way the parents were blamed. i don't think we will ever know.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

this is like the Ramsey case in the USA, the way the parents were blamed. i don't think we will ever know.

Except in the ramsay case, it really is pretty much certain that a family member killed that poor girl. There is a (small) element of doubt in this case.

Edited...slightly offtopic but my theory on JonBennet is...Burke did it And John covered it up.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Except in the ramsay case, it really is pretty much certain that a family member killed that poor girl. There is a (small) element of doubt in this case.

i really don't know, i didn't follow either case too closely. Just know that both are cases where the parents are the main suspects with little to no evidence.

Losing your child, is one of the worst things any parent can experience, but then having to worry about protecting yourself while suffering the loss of your child. it would make it a million times more painful and complicated, if they are innocent.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No that is murder

And abuse, sexual or otherwise as far as I know.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i really don't know, i didn't follow either case too closely. Just know that both are cases where the parents are the main suspects with little to no evidence.

Nah there was MUCH more evidence against the Ramseys than the McCanns. Its an interesting, though sickening story, thats for sure :S

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No. They were incredibly unlucky that a paedophile tatgetted them. Incredible bad luck.

Families of children snatched from the street like Mille Dowler can claim bad luck, this was a preventable abduction

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No. They were incredibly unlucky that a paedophile tatgetted them. Incredible bad luck.

You know this how?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Families of children snatched from the street like Mille Dowler can claim bad luck, this was a preventable abduction

I agree as far as this

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No. They were incredibly unlucky that a paedophile tatgetted them. Incredible bad luck.

I'm sorry LT but i think they were incredibly negligent and put their needs before their childrens.

I know stories like the Ben Needham case are etched into my soul as a warning of what can happen if you aren't watchful and mindful over your children, why on earth would they think their unguarded children were safe?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I'm sorry LT but i think they were incredibly negligent and put their needs before their childrens.

I know stories like the Ben Needham case are etched into my soul as a warning of what can happen if you aren't watchful and mindful over your children, why on earth would they think their unguarded children were safe?

All parents think their kids are safe prior to an abduction

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You know this how?

It's the conclusion of Scotland yard after a monumental forensic police operation

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

All parents think their kids are safe prior to an abduction

Most parents wouldn't leave their kids wide open for an abduction like they did though(if that's what you believe occurred)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It's the conclusion of Scotland yard after a monumental forensic police operation

The one with Gerry McCann efit image as prime suspect?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The one with Gerry McCann efit image as prime suspect?

The prime suspect that the McCanns themselves buried for years too...in order to focus on the person Tanner saw who Redwood decided was an innocent father. Oh dear

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Most parents wouldn't leave their kids wide open for an abduction like they did though(if that's what you believe occurred)

A child can be snatched in seconds

They were unlucky

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The one with Gerry McCann efit image as prime suspect?

Sorry but the McCann's were never serious suspects

Only online via keyboard detectives

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A child can be snatched in seconds

They were unlucky

Yes they can and if that happens, like say in the Bulger case, then that is unlucky. Having your child snatched (again if you believe that's what happened) from your unlocked apartment where your kids are completely alone is just pure stupidity

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Sorry but the McCann's were never serious suspects

Only online via keyboard detectives

And by the Portuguese Police

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Sorry but the McCann's were never serious suspects

Only online via keyboard detectives

By the Portuguese police also, and contrary to popular belief they weren't actually 'cleared'.

One has to ask though, if our police never saw them as suspects, why? Given the first suspects in the disappearance of a child is always the last to see them. Why is this ONE case different? Yes they could be ruled out, but to never suspect the last to see the child alive, is bad police work surely?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

All parents think their kids are safe prior to an abduction

This i can't argue with^^^^

But what made the McCanns think their kids were safe, because in my mind as a parent i'd be thinking that one of them could be sick and choke on their vomit, Maddie could fall out of bed and hit her head then be crying for a mum and dad that aren't there (as she's cried a previous night), to know your child is crying for you and you aren't there is a heartbreaking thought, Maddie could wander into a nearby room and injure herself in that room, there are so many things that can happen to really small ones, so what made them think they were safe, maybe the medication they gave them made them have a certain amount of safety knowing that the likelihood of the kids waking up were minimal, maybe they'd done this before on a previous holiday and it gave them false confidence, what i do know is that the regular parent would not leave children so small unguarded in a foreign country in an unsecured apartment whilst out having fun with friends.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

This i can't argue with^^^^

But what made the McCanns think their kids were safe, because in my mind as a parent i'd be thinking that one of them could be sick and choke on their vomit, Maddie could fall out of bed and hit her head then be crying for a mum and dad that aren't there (as she's cried a previous night), to know your child is crying for you and you aren't there is a heartbreaking thought, Maddie could wander into a nearby room and injure herself in that room, there are so many things that can happen to really small ones, so what made them think they were safe, maybe the medication they gave them made them have a certain amount of safety knowing that the likelihood of the kids waking up were minimal, maybe they'd done this before on a previous holiday and it gave them false confidence, what i do know is that the regular parent would not leave children so small unguarded in a foreign country in an unsecured apartment whilst out having fun with friends.

To make this even worse..one of the kids WAS actually ill, with diarrhea and vomitting and was still left alone. Not a McCann child mind, one of the other neglectful doctors of the group who left their kids alone to get pissed. They knew the kid was ill and still did it.

Beggars belief really. But no doubt this is also normal, fine and done all of the time...unless thats reserved only for two of the disgusting group.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

To make this even worse..one of the kids WAS actually ill, with diarrhea and vomitting and was still left alone. Not a McCann child mind, one of the other neglectful doctors of the group who left their kids alone to get pissed. They knew the kid was ill and still did it.

Beggars belief really. But no doubt this is also normal, fine and done all of the time...unless thats reserved only for two of the disgusting group.

And these people are Doctors too, just unbelievable really

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

To make this even worse..one of the kids WAS actually ill, with diarrhea and vomitting and was still left alone. Not a McCann child mind, one of the other neglectful doctors of the group who left their kids alone to get pissed. They knew the kid was ill and still did it.

Beggars belief really. But no doubt this is also normal, fine and done all of the time...unless thats reserved only for two of the disgusting group.

I didn't know that until this morning when i were watching a Youtube vid, it's heartbreaking to know these children were left alone, ALL the children.

[Vanessa]

They did go to check on the children, but i think it was not enough. They should have been there at the apartment or took the children with them at the restaurant. And kept the windows closed.