[Christmas Dynasnow]

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[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

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Is this the 7th Heaven YouTube channel? Wtf!

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Everyone agreed the staging was seedy and inappropriate

hence it got NO public points

bad song, poorly sung and awful staging

the lad will do well to recover any credibility now going forward

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Everyone agreed the staging was seedy and inappropriate

hence it got NO public points

bad song, poorly sung and awful staging

the lad will do well to recover any credibility now going forward

How absurd , EVERYONE, you've talked to everyone that exists have you ???
He'll do fine

Not everyone is homophobic iin this day and age.
Thank all powers to be for that too.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

He has even been disowned by Queers for Palestine as they begged him not to take part and he ignored them

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He has even been disowned by Queers for Palestine as they begged him not to take part and he ignored them

Why should you care about that ?
I'm fact it's mystifying why you're so consumed by this one singer who happens to be gay, after.being in a song contest.

I could just imagine your further outrage if a British act pulled out of Eurovision for Palestinians.
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been any way complimentary.

You'd be firing anti-Semitism at him probably too then.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Why should you care about that ?
I'm fact it's mystifying why you're so consumed by this one singer who happens to be gay, after.being in a song contest.

I could just imagine your further outrage if a British act pulled out of Eurovision for Palestinians.
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been any way complimentary.

You'd be firing anti-Semitism at him probably too then.

Even the far left Daily Mirror are saying it was career suicide by ALexander

"While Alexander may not admit it publicly, at least not for a while, signing up to
be the UK entry for this year's Eurovision Song Contest has been a disastrous
career move that could haunt him for years."

"Olly Alexander went from advocating for Palestine to claiming he 'wasn't
qualified to speak out' within a matter of weeks"

"In Olly Alexander's Road to Eurovision '24, the It's A Sin actor sobbed as he
addressed the calls for him to boycott this year's contest over Israel's
inclusion, saying he "wasn't qualified to speak on" the heartbreaking scenes
coming out of Palestine, referring to it as an "incredibly complicated political
situation."

Yet in October, before being unveiled as the UK entry for Eurovision two
months later, Alexander called for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, the
governing body in Gaza. An open letter from LGBT charity Voices4London
signed by Alexander referred to Israel as an 'apartheid regime' aiming to
"ethnically cleanse" Palestine."

"By insisting that he knows better than Palestinians, Olly Alexander again flaunts a colonial mentality," Queers For Palestine said in a statement regarding Alexander's response to their boycott plea"

(so by your logic they are homophobic too - this will be news for them)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...ision-32773195

and that is the Labour Party supporting Mirror going in with 2 feet

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Even the far left Daily Mirror are saying it was career suicide by ALexander

"While Alexander may not admit it publicly, at least not for a while, signing up to
be the UK entry for this year's Eurovision Song Contest has been a disastrous
career move that could haunt him for years."

"Olly Alexander went from advocating for Palestine to claiming he 'wasn't
qualified to speak out' within a matter of weeks"

"In Olly Alexander's Road to Eurovision '24, the It's A Sin actor sobbed as he
addressed the calls for him to boycott this year's contest over Israel's
inclusion, saying he "wasn't qualified to speak on" the heartbreaking scenes
coming out of Palestine, referring to it as an "incredibly complicated political
situation."

Yet in October, before being unveiled as the UK entry for Eurovision two
months later, Alexander called for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, the
governing body in Gaza. An open letter from LGBT charity Voices4London
signed by Alexander referred to Israel as an 'apartheid regime' aiming to
"ethnically cleanse" Palestine."

"By insisting that he knows better than Palestinians, Olly Alexander again flaunts a colonial mentality," Queers For Palestine said in a statement regarding Alexander's response to their boycott plea"

(so by your logic they are homophobic too - this will be news for them)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...ision-32773195

and that is the Labour Party supporting Mirror going in with 2 feet

I don't think you really read my posts which is fine of course..
I'm surprised you read any of mine to be frank.

However it must be universal knowledge on even here that I haven't a millionth of an ounce of caring what papers say.
The lot of them blow where the wind seems to be the more popular.
I never buy one or read one
I don't CARE.

I like Olly so am defending him.
I wouldn't have made a quarter of the posts I have if you hadn't come on day after day on every thread, even on the Swiss wiinner thread to spout your hate of Olly
Someone even asked you what had what you were saying to do with the Swiss winner

You never say anything about the stagings that involved mixed genders or only female which were of an unseemly nature.
You only highlight the guy who is gay and the all male staging of his entry.

What on earth is your problem with the gay side of the stagings but not the others.
That it has so consumed your energy to not dig up anything positive, only negative you can find on Olly Alexander.
Not the Eurovision team who devised the staging.
Not anyone else connected to it .
Only him, who is gay and open and proud about it.
To the extrent in the lead up to the contest, during it and now 2 days even on from it ending.

You are all over, just attacking him for the staging and him personally.
ONLY the gay person with the suggestive staging.
Others with just Women or mixed genders, nothing from you.
NOTHING.

The press are often homophobic, they threaten celebrities with outing them once they know for sure they are .
I can't wait to see the day the stinking rotten press of the UK.no longer reaches anyone .
The whole lot of them put together now barely reach 6 million in circulation.
10 to 15 years ago it was over double that at least.

As for the other organisation you are digging up.
When they hear from Olly properly himself that will be smoothed over.
I feel pretty sure of that

Honestly.
You really are going from one kind of obsessed absurdity to another.
Desperately too it seems.

The Eurovision contest and near all it's controversies of this year will soon be forgotten.
Next year it will be back with likely new controversies.
Let's hope the UK don't put in another unsuspecting gay singer for you to set out to character assassinate like this year with Olly.

I really like him so love talking about him.
If I hated him as you appear to, I'd never want to mention his name.
Never mind go on and on and on about him as you are.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't think you really read my posts which is fine of course..
I'm surprised you read any of mine to be frank.

However it must be universal knowledge on even here that I haven't a millionth of an ounce of caring what papers say.
The lot of them blow where the wind seems to be the more popular.
I never buy one or read one
I don't CARE.

I like Olly so am defending him.
I wouldn't have made a quarter of the posts I have if you hadn't come on day after day on every thread, even on the Swiss wiinner thread to spout your hate of Olly
Someone even asked you what had what you were saying to do with the Swiss winner

You never say anything about the stagings that involved mixed genders or only female which were of an unseemly nature.
You only highlight the guy who is gay and the all male staging of his entry.

What on earth is your problem with the gay side of the stagings but not the others.
That it has so consumed your energy to not dig up anything positive, only negative you can find on Olly Alexander.
Not the Eurovision team who devised the staging.
Not anyone else connected to it .
Only him, who is gay and open and proud about it.
To the extrent in the lead up to the contest, during it and now 2 days even on from it ending.

You are all over, just attacking him for the staging and him personally.
ONLY the gay person with the suggestive staging.
Others with just Women or mixed genders, nothing from you.
NOTHING.

The press are often homophobic, they threaten celebrities with outing them once they know for sure they are .
I can't wait to see the day the stinking rotten press of the UK.no longer reaches anyone .
The whole lot of them put together now barely reach 6 million in circulation.
10 to 15 years ago it was over double that at least.

As for the other organisation you are digging up.
When they hear from Olly properly himself that will be smoothed over.
I feel pretty sure of that

Honestly.
You really are going from one kind of obsessed absurdity to another.
Desperately too it seems.

The Eurovision contest and near all it's controversies of this year will soon be forgotten.
Next year it will be back with likely new controversies.
Let's hope the UK don't put in another unsuspecting gay singer for you to set out to character assassinate like this year with Olly.

I really like him so love talking about him.
If I hated him as you appear to, I'd never want to mention his name.
Never mind go on and on and on about him as you are.

My only concern after all this settles down is Olly’s mental state / depression / anxieties.

I know he’s been on antidepressants for nearly 20 years


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[Christmas Dynasnow]

If the Daily Mirror is criticising him, he got no points from the general public and even Queers for Palestine are calling him a colonialist

I don't think pulling out the homophobia as a last resort card is going to help

with respect

[Livia]

Who is supporting the other nil points entrants from the UK who've disappeared from view? Show business is cut throat. You should be able to do your thing and own it, regardless of people's criticism, without people worrying for your mental health.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Who is supporting the other nil points entrants from the UK who've disappeared from view? Show business is cut throat. You should be able to do your thing and own it, regardless of people's criticism, without people worrying for your mental health.

Oh if only all Humans were the same and needed no special help or support.

People are different with different needs and feelings and insecurities.
Whether very poor to very rich.
Regardless of what their jobs or careers are..

Also Olly didn't get nil points he got 46.
None from the public vote but not nil points.

Plus how do you know others who've done badly in Eurovision haven't needed and got support badly needed once it was over.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh if only all Humans were the same and needed no special help or support.

People are different with different needs and feelings and insecurities.
Whether very poor to very rich.
Regardless of what their jobs or careers are..

Also Olly didn't get nil points he got 46.
None from the public vote but not nil points.

Plus how do you know others who've done badly in Eurovision haven't needed and got support badly needed once it was over.

I'm not talking about humans generally, I'm taking about performers in show business. And I don't know others haven't needed help afterwards. I just don't know why people are wringing their hands for Ollie, or how they know about his mental health problems. He's a successful performer. I believe there are people suffering worse and they're the ones who deserve out sympathy and empathy.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not talking about humans generally, I'm taking about performers in show business. And I don't know others haven't needed help afterwards. I just don't know why people are wringing their hands for Ollie, or how they know about his mental health problems. He's a successful performer. I believe there are people suffering worse and they're the ones who deserve out sympathy and empathy.

There are many celebrities in show business despite having so called friends in show business.
Have been found dead alone or even taken their own lives too.

I repeat, there's no norm.
People are all different.
People deal with pressures differently.
Whether very poor or very rich.

It's no different for celebrities.
Whether, actors, singers or presenters.
Support and being uplifted can be needed by them as well as anyone else in every walk of life.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

There are many celebrities in show business despite having so called friends in show business.
Have been found dead alone or even taken their own lives too.

I repeat, there's no norm.
People are all different.
People deal with pressures differently.
Whether very poor or very rich.

It's no different for celebrities.
Whether, actors, singers or presenters.
Support and being uplifted can be needed by them as well as anyone else in every walk of life.

I think maybe you're just a much nicer person than I am.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Livia

Who is supporting the other nil points entrants from the UK who've disappeared from view? Show business is cut throat. You should be able to do your thing and own it, regardless of people's criticism, without people worrying for your mental health.

Tbf, the UK entrants (and most of Germany's entrants) get some brutal stick from the Eurovision public, a lot of the time from their own countrymen.

That will take it's toll on a person to some degree.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, the UK entrants (and most of Germany's entrants) get some brutal stick from the Eurovision public, a lot of the time from their own countrymen.

That will take it's toll on a person to some degree.

Nobody ever thought of the stick that James Blunt got and the affect that had on his mental health. People even used to say so and so was a blunt in a cockney style

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Nobody ever thought of the stick that James Blunt got and the affect that had on his mental health. People even used to say so and so was a blunt in a cockney style

Tbf, some of the abuse that James Blunt got back in the day were really harsh imo.

There's nothing wrong with having a laugh about a singer that you don't personally like, but some singers do tend to attract an obsessive detraction base.

For example Nickelback is another artist where the hatred that a lot of people have for them is imo unhealthy and actually disproportionate to anything that they've done.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, some of the abuse that James Blunt got back in the day were really harsh imo.

There's nothing wrong with having a laugh about a singer that you don't personally like, but some singers do tend to attract an obsessive detraction base.

For example Nickelback is another artist where the hatred that a lot of people have for them is imo unhealthy and actually disproportionate to anything that they've done.

I 100% agree again.
I quite like James Blunt myself
He's made some really strong recordings

As with Olly Alexander too, there's been a real minor disproportionate negative response to Eurovision.

I mean really, I love Eurovision myself for the songs, the acts and way out performances.
However is it now a really serious and even fair competion.
I don't mean that just as to the UK but to other Nations too.
I think you mentioned Germany and I'd agree there too.

Anyhow Olly picked himself up, got going again

Planning new tour dates and has a new album to come out very soon too.
Which his fanbase is eagerly awaiting the release date of.

So the news is all good.

I'll never understand the unhealthy dislike of singers.
People either like their music or don't.
There are so many artistes and so many types of music too.
Concentrate on the ones liked rather than the ones not liked is what I do.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf, some of the abuse that James Blunt got back in the day were really harsh imo.

There's nothing wrong with having a laugh about a singer that you don't personally like, but some singers do tend to attract an obsessive detraction base.

For example Nickelback is another artist where the hatred that a lot of people have for them is imo unhealthy and actually disproportionate to anything that they've done.

I always presumed that Nickelback’s hatred came from everyone being sick of their song being number one for months


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[Christmas Dynasnow]

what dizzy do now?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what dizzy do now?

He will continue making fabulous music , hit records , acting and being a positive role model for millions of people just for starters..


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He will continue making fabulous music , hit records , acting and being a positive role model for millions of people just for starters..


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He will indeed.
Because of the encouragement and support of those who want him to have success.
Plus got those of his fans who love his music, his songwriting and his acting.


He doesn't need to and should NEVER EVER bother about those who in the main just don't like his sexuality, so would love to see his career fail bigtime.
Who more hate him yet cannot stop talking about him.
I think thankfully and rightfully those of that problem with him, are going to be severely disappointed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He will continue making fabulous music , hit records , acting and being a positive role model for millions of people just for starters..

Yes an Actor

He should play a Gangster
carrying a Gun.

[The Grinch]

I love that Olly is on his mind having a over sexual preformmance however the Slovenia lady was wearing almost nothing, skin tight see through with only black dots covering her breasts is no where on his mind, maybe because she’s not gay and a woman that’s my guess