[Macie Lightfoot]

Why is Christmas even picking an argument with someone who has safety for the week? Like what's the point of this.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Both. "Raven's disease," the one that she claims doesn't have a name despite five MILLION people having it, means that her tenth chromosome is folded over and that somehow simultaneously affects her digestive system but gives her arthritis. She claims that gastroparesis is terminal, which is false. Her parents are guzzling money through a GoFundMe with a goal of $200,000 to make up for her medical bills, despite Raven buying a new car last year and operating I believe two dance studios. She's reportedly had two years to live since about 2009. Somehow her mother and her brother suffer from gastroparesis as well despite it not being hereditary. She entertains the idea of freezing her eggs even though she's apparently a dead woman walking, but insists that she has an 80% chance of passing down BOTH of her terminal diseases to her offspring. She conveniently cut her toe after Christmas broke her foot and then proceeded to gradually increase the number of stitches she reportedly got, turned her limp on whenever she was around Christmas, and took her sock off before approaching Christmas when she came back from having surgery. She immediately took to one-upping Jessica when it was the anniversary of her father's passing by listing all the tragedies in her life. She admitted to being part of the cat ears/coke fiasco and then got indignant when Jessica told Alex that she was. She was icing her wrist when the feeds came back on from Cody vs. Josh and claimed that she got hit with a frying pan despite being nowhere near either Cody or Josh. She literally "banged her knee" into a table on purpose and faked how much it hurt. She cut her finger last night and immediately went into the green bedroom to show everyone her bloody finger.

And if you dare speak about ANY of this on Twitter, her mother doxes you and tries to report you to Child Protective Services if you have children of your own Happy gastroparesis awareness month, y'all.

"Nice family. Really."

so her time on this show is basically just a way for them to scam money out of viewers? Pretty crass to say the least. How was all this found out, did someone on Twitter just get fed up with her constantly mentioning it and decide to do their research?

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

okay, so my take on it is that while I could not give nearly as much of a **** about gameplay as A True Superfan Should (shoutout to Reddit turning on Jess in the eleventh hour for... not playing a good game and getting evicted? how dare she), I do believe that gameplay can and does often serve as a vehicle for good natural drama. However, the gameplay this year has only led to contrived drama and we've watched three or four people have the same argument for six weeks now. Paul's gameplay is legitimately suffocating -- pick the target two weeks in advance, create a smear campaign against them for daring to have a mind of their own, command the entire house to ostracize them and not talk to them, send Josh to pick a fight with them a few hours after the POV Meeting, wipe Josh's tears away when he cries and spin some bull**** rhetoric about how they are the ones being BULLIED by [pariah of the week], and then leave the target so over it all that they just fold and don't even bother to campaign. I don't give a **** how effective it is because it's actively ruinous to this season, pretty grimy on a personal level, and it led us to have the same repetitive Jody vs. Paul by proxy of Josh bull**** for six weeks. Every argument has been the same -- Paul commands Josh to go and antagonize Jess and/or Cody, Cody shows initial restraint while Jess verbally assaults Josh, Cody may or may not threaten to murder Josh when the cameras aren't there to record it, and then Josh runs back upstairs and cries about how he's being bullied and they're taking the game to such personal levels.

The bit in bold is part of the reason I like the US format so much and get invested in the game (and why I'd love the UK to switch to it but that's for another time)

The rest of what you've written I largely agree with so don't have much of a response, apart from to say I must just be able to tolerate it for longer? I don't know why it's not bored me yet, granted Paul's good standing is no doubt contributing to my enjoyment and I expect if I'd been watching feeds as much as you and others I'd have probably tired of it by now (tbh that's probably the reason) but idk, maybe I'll end up feeling the same soon? I think for me it's just refreshing to have a season that - as warped as this is - has some dark undertones? And uncomfortable scenes? I realise it's never going to be a Shapiro era season again but it's nice to have one that isn't (for the most part) something that would belong more on Nickelodeon than primetime CBS, as BB16 especially (and subsequent seasons) have been.

I actually think Cody's return hindered rather than helped the season, because Jess seemed to be making inroads or fading into the background after his departure and I began to like her more, which is why it's a shame she's left before him since I don't think he can repair any of the damage. On another note, why is Paul in such a good spot btw? I do think his time will come unfortunately but I'm surprised he's escaped the block for as long as he has post-immunity. Are the majority of the newbies really that enamoured by him? Is his social game really that good?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Josh is trying to insinuate to Mark that America hates HIM for flipping on him in the Ramses vote... good lord.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

"Nice family. Really."

so her time on this show is basically just a way for them to scam money out of viewers? Pretty crass to say the least. How was all this found out, did someone on Twitter just get fed up with her constantly mentioning it and decide to do their research?

Her brother is also a sex offender so make of that what you will.

[EspeonBB]

I stole this from Reddit but it really shows how much of a strangehold Paul has on this game and why it's very unlikely he's going anywhere anytime soon

Alex
Has said to the cameras that she wouldn't mind getting 2nd to Paul and coming back for a 2nd season.

Josh
Yesterday, to Xmas in private: "I think Paul ultimately is riding with Kevin. I don't think he will have my back 100%, but I'll always have his 100% no matter what."

Matt and Raven
Yesterday, in private: Raven suggests using Paul as a pawn if she wins HoH. Matt shoots her down. He tells her that if she has to use a pawn, he wants her to use him instead of Paul.

Xmas
Yesterday, to Josh in private: "I will have Paul's back no matter what. But I don't think he'll always have mine. Remember last season? He never told Victor right before he left. He had to look out for himself."
But also: "I questioned Paul for a minute, but it was only because we haven't sat down for a conversation in a while."
And today, about Jess's speech: "Why would Paul be a bigger target?!?"

Mark and Elena
Mark to Elena, 9:30ish BBT today: "It'll be fine. We just have to make sure Cody goes home this week."

Cody
Not Paul's biggest fan.

[Headie]

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Hayden

No one else loves ha?

[JerseyWins]

Omg her ex?!

Also, I really need to catch up on this. The feeds sound kinda good today? And I need to get my mind off of that CBB20 disaster from tonight.

[JerseyWins]

Mark winning the temptation comp is very good.

Now it should be a good week with either Cody or Elena going. However, it's a bit worrying how thirsty Kevin & Jason have been to take Matt out.

[JerseyWins]

Mark is seriously such a messy player... idk how he's still in. He changes his mind on things and his allegiances on a daily/weekly basis and he gets stuck in the middle of so many arguments for minimal reasons lol. (and easily paranoid too but that's not relevant currently)

[JerseyWins]

"Cody in HV Room alone, blank stare as he appears to be in contemplation."

This is literally all I see Cody doing from today's feeds. What a legend?

[JerseyWins]

(from before)

Paul (to Josh): Fool you know I'd slap your ass in check if you were doing something wrong. (with a you did good somewhere in the conversation)

It actually kind of is like the houseguests are his dogs. *tosses Josh a friendship treat*

[JerseyWins]

Something good to note, I like having 2 feeds to watch now that Jody isn't on one of the feeds all the time.

[Wizard.]

Paul said he knows he's going to win the DE HOH

[Samm]

I haven't watched a single bit of this but I heard jess was a legend?

[EspeonBB]

Alex nominated Jason and Elena with Matt as the 3rd nominee

[EspeonBB]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

(from before)

Paul (to Josh): Fool you know I'd slap your ass in check if you were doing something wrong. (with a you did good somewhere in the conversation)

It actually kind of is like the houseguests are his dogs. *tosses Josh a friendship treat*

Also remember when he kissed Raven on the head after she shouted at Jessica in the kitchen

[DouglasS]

I can't even look at Alex her face disgusts me.

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by Samm

I haven't watched a single bit of this but I heard jess was a legend?

Thats really all you need to know about this season.

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Samm

I haven't watched a single bit of this but I heard jess was a legend?

You heard wrong, sorry

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by EspeonBB

Alex nominated Jason and Elena with Matt as the 3rd nominee

Jason being nominated actually puts me at ease because he could've been one of the votes to take out Matt. Now it should be Cody (almost for sure) or if anything Elena. Cody just can't win that veto.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I can't even look at Alex her face disgusts me.

The mole on her eyebrow is offputting

[EspeonBB]

Cody didn't get picked for veto so he's 100% gone on Thursday

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by EspeonBB

Cody didn't get picked for veto so he's 100% gone on Thursday

[EspeonBB]

The only hope would be if Matt won veto but Paul will probably convince him not to use it on himself (that's sad huh) so