[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It was self defence, self defence against my tantrums

[Samuel.]

Lul. Was gonna do a Google search to see what the rest of the interwebs thought on the subject. Typed in "why is hitting" only for "why is hitting your child bad" to be the top suggestion :/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Lul. Was gonna do a Google search to see what the rest of the interwebs thought on the subject. Typed in "why is hitting" only for "why is hitting your child bad" to be the top suggestion :/

lol pretty emotive subject I think

[Samuel.]

Yeah, but the fact people are having to ask the interwebs why hitting your child is wrong... should be pretty self evident.

[Kizzy]

It's a shame that many people have to ask really....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Yeah, but the fact people are having to ask the interwebs why hitting your child is wrong... should be pretty self evident.

you would think so anyway

[thesheriff443]

if you can bring your children up without smacking them then thats fine by me but if you have to smack your children that does not make you a monster

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Right or wrong?

Inspired by chinese woman beating the baby thread. I don't mean beating the kid but smacking.

Personally, I think there are better more effective ways of disciplining kids and hitting children is always wrong. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My opinion is right on this, I used the example of disabled and elderly people because I don't see the difference in hitting them or children.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Pyramid, I'm quite sure if you check back along, you'll find that I have addressed other people besides you. Infact, I've replied to : Samuel, Ninastar,08Marsh, lostalex, Arista, Thesheriff, Mr. Luvaluva, Vicky, Bollo, The Mockinator and Kizzy.

I'd also like to point out that it was infact you that originally quoted me, I was simply replying to you so I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to paint such an untrue picture of events.

Let's start at the beginning Niamh, and I'll reply to you stating I am painting such an untrue picture of events.

You created this thread - it would therefore be reasonable that I should reply to you at some point, given that you started the thread - which was indeed an interesting one.

What is more interesting is that you started your opening post and you asked : Right or Wrong? and then asked for peoples thoughts.

People then gave you their thoughts. When anyone gave their own different stance - you didn't want to know their thoughts, other than to tell them they were wrong. In my own case I made it clear the distinction I made in a gentle smack, and specifically, where I felt it was acceptable, and did so as well as did other posters, several times over and over again.

You vehemently refused to accept anyone elses opinion as being 'right' - preferring instead to tell those who didn't share your view,, that they were wrong, and repeatedly (quote above as one of several examples) .

To ask what people think of a subject: to specifically ask Right or Wrong; then not respect their opinion or view when it is given : If you felt there was no other answer other than your own, then why ask the question in the first place if all you were going to do was dismiss anything anyone else had to say on the subject?

I'm not entirely sure why you wanted to discuss what other people thought of the subject of smacking children, when you aren't prepared to accept someone elses point of view without deriding it or them (by saying they needed help etc) - regardless of how much you disagree with it.?

What was the point in you asking ''Right or Wrong'' if then all you intended doing was telling others they were wrong? That's not leaving much room for discussion and imo, defeats the purpose of healthy serious debating.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

As long as you clean up after yourself - I really don't care what you think.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Utter nonsense the last part. I don't have kids... I was a child and I was given sometimes more than a light smack - oddly enough: I didn't grow up to be an abuser to children regardless, nor did I grow up thinking hitting babies or toddlers is right, nor did I grow up to believe that a good thumping of a child was correct either.

A person does not have to be a parent to have an opinion you know.

So, you are allowed to dismiss other peoples opinions, but I'm not...........interesting.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

So..you don't agree with me, is there any particular reason for you labouring your point Niamh?

I'm labouring my point because this is a debate thread..........that's what you do in debate threads.

This is not about old people, nor is it about diabled children. It is about young children who some people may chose to smack as a form of discipline and discussing that.

Again, this is a debate thread........sometimes people draw comparisons in debate threads when they're trying to make a point, please don't tell me what I can and can't draw comparisons with. Thank You.

Your opinion isn't right or wrong - neither is mine. But you appear to be coming across as though you think your way is the only correct way. It's not - it is what you believe, and what some others believe. It's not an opinion I agree on, and I don't happen to be alone in my opinion.

Again........this is a debate......of course I think I'm right as do you.......but you're not.

There really is no point in going round in circles - we disagree for the reasons we both have stated. That's the way it works sometimes.

Stop replying to me then.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No your opinion is only your opinion. And it is highly disrespectful to dismiss the opinion of others.

Really? as disrespectful as saying someones opinion is "Utter Nonsense"?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

This thread is not discussing hitting elderly people or disabled people though.

I'm not likely to wind up in any prison since I have said repeatedly on here that anything other than a gentle smack today - is unacceptable: an important point which you seem very deliberately to be ignoring.

MTVN has already clearly stated why he feels there is nothing wrong with it either, as have other. . It seems you have some bone to pick with me - given that you are soley addressing only what I have to say on the matter as far as believing there is nothing wrong with a gentle smack. I see you are not addressing any other poster who has commented with the same views as me - why would that be I wonder?

I did actually answer that in a previous post, infact I answered that in two previous posts (one directly to you) but I will repost them :

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well I would assume it's not going to be anyway effective if it doesn't actually hurt the child, and I would never want to physically hurt my children.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A "gentle" smack? Again........for it to have any kind of effective on the child it has to hurt them
I don't agree with hitting old people or disabled people either, am I right about that? I see no difference with hitting kids, they're all the most vulnerable members of our society.

I only referred to being hit by a strap after you brought it up.

If you don't like the way I am arguing my points in this thread, then don't reply to me Pyramid, please don't try to make out I have some sort of vendetta against you. I have disagreed with many people in this thread yet you're the only one who accused me of this.

[lostalex]

just because i believe that hitting children is wrong does not mean that i think all parents (including my own) who have hit their children are MONSTERS. i don't even think it means they are bad parents.

I think it's the wrong thing to do, but everyone has done the wrong thing, and i'm not saying i think all parents that have hit their children are horrible parents, or monsters. Giving your children junk food is also the wrong thing to do, but it doesn't make the parents monsters. I just want to make that clear.


It is the wrong thing to do though.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

just because i believe that hitting children is wrong does not mean that i think all parents (including my own) who have hit their children are MONSTERS. i don't even think it means they are bad parents.

I think it's the wrong thing to do, but everyone has done the wrong thing, and i'm not saying i think all parents that have hit their children are horrible parents, or monsters. Giving your children junk food is also the wrong thing to do, but it doesn't make the parents monsters. I just want to make that clear.


It is the wrong thing to do though.

I agree.

[Niamh.]

Oh and one last thing Pyramid, do I disagree with everyone as you state here :

People then gave you their thoughts. When anyone gave their own different stance - you didn't want to know their thoughts, other than to tell them they were wrong. In my own case I made it clear the distinction I made in a gentle smack, and specifically, where I felt it was acceptable, and did so as well as did other posters, several times over and over again.

Or is it just you as you've accused me of here :

It seems you have some bone to pick with me - given that you are soley addressing only what I have to say on the matter as far as believing there is nothing wrong with a gentle smack. I see you are not addressing any other poster who has commented with the same views as me - why would that be I wonder?

[Niall]

There's no need to smack a little kid. Discipline out of fear is only detrimental to the child's relationship with the parent. My cousins used to get smacked by one of my aunts and they absolutely hated her for it and used to get real upset - we went to Disney World with them nice (my Dad and I that is), and my aunt slapped my cousin (who was 16 at the time) in the middle of the theme park. My cousin started crying and she was really embarrassed. There's no need.

My parents have never smacked or used physical force to make me do things and I always abided by and respected their rules (for the most part anyway). They always used to explain to me where I went wrong after I was punished for it and I understood not to do the wrong thing in future and all that. Smacking the kid isnt liable to help them understand what they did wrong and why they shouldn't do it, but that they shouldn't do something for fear that they'll be hurt. It's wrong. A child should never be fearful of their parent.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh and one last thing Pyramid, do I disagree with everyone as you state here :

People then gave you their thoughts. When anyone gave their own different stance - you didn't want to know their thoughts, other than to tell them they were wrong. In my own case I made it clear the distinction I made in a gentle smack, and specifically, where I felt it was acceptable, and did so as well as did other posters, several times over and over again.

Or is it just you as you've accused me of here :

It seems you have some bone to pick with me - given that you are soley addressing only what I have to say on the matter as far as believing there is nothing wrong with a gentle smack. I see you are not addressing any other poster who has commented with the same views as me - why would that be I wonder?

You've made your points well and you were not being offensive. IMO. You've said your peace eloquently Niamh.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You've made your points well and you were not being offensive. IMO. You've said your peace eloquently Niamh.

Thank You Alex

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niall

and my aunt slapped my cousin (who was 16 at the time) in the middle of the theme park. My cousin started crying and she was really embarrassed. There's no need.

I'd have slapped the bitch back into oblivion.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So, you are allowed to dismiss other peoples opinions, but I'm not...........interesting.


Really? as disrespectful as saying someones opinion is "Utter Nonsense"?




I did actually answer that in a previous post, infact I answered that in two previous posts (one directly to you) but I will repost them :





I only referred to being hit by a strap after you brought it up.

If you don't like the way I am arguing my points in this thread, then don't reply to me Pyramid, please don't try to make out I have some sort of vendetta against you. I have disagreed with many people in this thread yet you're the only one who accused me of this.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh and one last thing Pyramid, do I disagree with everyone as you state here :

People then gave you their thoughts. When anyone gave their own different stance - you didn't want to know their thoughts, other than to tell them they were wrong. In my own case I made it clear the distinction I made in a gentle smack, and specifically, where I felt it was acceptable, and did so as well as did other posters, several times over and over again.

Or is it just you as you've accused me of here :

It seems you have some bone to pick with me - given that you are soley addressing only what I have to say on the matter as far as believing there is nothing wrong with a gentle smack. I see you are not addressing any other poster who has commented with the same views as me - why would that be I wonder?

Let's try and not misquote things.

So, you are allowed to dismiss other peoples opinions, but I'm not...........interesting.


Really? as disrespectful as saying someones opinion is "Utter Nonsense"?

My 'utter nonsense' was in reply to the part of 'thesheriffs' post below: it is utter nonsense to state that a person is not in a position to really know how you would bring up a child - you don't have to be a parent to have an opinion on smacking (or in how you view bringing up a child) and I replied why - because one doesn't have to have experience, having already been a child and grown to maturity. No that is not disrespectful: it is factual - it is utter nonsense to state that a person has to be a parent to be in a position to comment on such a subject as smacking.

to those that have not got children until you become a parent your not in a position to really know how you would bring up a child.

I note that you completely dismissed (ignored) my post/question in respect of if the child does not respond to being grounded, spoken to etc: and grows up to rebel, to disrespect others etc: how then would you tackle that if words and your normal way of discipline had failed?

I do feel you have been very dismissive of anyone who doesn't share your view: that is my opinion - to the point that you have in fact been insulting when referring to those who smack children as 'needing help'. That is a highly derogatory statement to make and others on the thread have also made replied to that particular comment that you made.

I do feel that you are being very aggressive in your posts on this thread - that is my opinion. You may not view it as that because of the very medium that this is: I may be viewing it differently also: but I can only state what I am reading: and when comments such as 'anyone who smacks their child needs help'' - that is not a passive comment, that is in it's own right, an aggressive statement and is insulting to others.

[Marc]

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Marc

That's not really much of a contribution to a serious debates thread Marc.

[Marc]

Could probably argue the same thing about you tbh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Marc

Originally Posted by Marc

Could probably argue the same thing about you tbh

Baiting from a mod?

[Marc]

Oh I'm not baiting, that would be against the rules.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Baiting from a mod?

Thank you 08Marsh.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My 'utter nonsense' was in reply to the part of 'thesheriffs' post below: it is utter nonsense to state that a person is not in a position to really know how you would bring up a child - you don't have to be a parent to have an opinion on smacking (or in how you view bringing up a child) and I replied why - because one doesn't have to have experience, having already been a child and grown to maturity. No that is not disrespectful: it is factual - it is utter nonsense to state that a person has to be a parent to be in a position to comment on such a subject as smacking.

In your opinion, not in his. Regardless of what you think about his opinion you still disregarded..........in a much more insulting way then I did yours might I add.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I note that you completely dismissed (ignored) my post/question in respect of if the child does not respond to being grounded, spoken to etc: and grows up to rebel, to disrespect others etc: how then would you tackle that if words and your normal way of discipline had failed?

Not by hitting it anyway that's for sure

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I do feel you have been very dismissive of anyone who doesn't share your view: that is my opinion - to the point that you have in fact been insulting when referring to those who smack children as 'needing help'. That is a highly derogatory statement to make and others on the thread have also made replied to that particular comment that you made.

I do feel that you are being very aggressive in your posts on this thread - that is my opinion. You may not view it as that because of the very medium that this is: I may be viewing it differently also: but I can only state what I am reading: and when comments such as 'anyone who smacks their child needs help'' - that is not a passive comment, that is in it's own right, an aggressive statement and is insulting to others.

You're the only one who seems to think I've been aggressive in this thread Pyramid. I can assure you I'm not an aggressive person. I do feel like you've given me no choice but to defend myself though after firstly accusing me of only responding to your posts and having "a bone to pick with you" ...........and then saying that I've been telling everyone they're wrong "several times over and over again." Which is it, I'm confused?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In your opinion, not in his. Regardless of what you think about his opinion you still disregarded..........in a much more insulting way then I did yours might I add.



Not by hitting it anyway that's for sure



You're the only one who seems to think I've been aggressive in this thread Pyramid. I can assure you I'm not an aggressive person. I do feel like you've given me no choice but to defend myself though after firstly accusing me of only responding to your posts and having "a bone to pick with you" ...........and then saying that I've been telling everyone they're wrong "several times over and over again." Which is it, I'm confused?

You HAVE quite categorically stated several times that some people on here are wrong, and I quote you: "I am right". Your subjective opinion is not a fact, it is a subjective opinion only.

Do you think that telling people on here - forum members and forum members who have stated that their parent smacked them - that 'they need help' is not hostile, aggressive and an insulting comment?

You still have not answered my question as to how you would deal with an unruly child that does not respond to your method of discipline - other than say: "Not by hitting it anyway". how would you deal with such a child?