[Niamh.]

Basically the way I see it, transexuals have been around for a very longtime and women as far as I can tell haven't had any issues with that, what seems to be causing problems now is the whole Self ID issues and demanding access to womens prisons, changing rooms, bathrooms etc transwomen who have spent most of their lives as men and have biological advantages over women wanting to be able to compete against women in sport, sports which are sex segregated because of these biological advantages like MMA for example which is not just a physical contact sport but a combat sport, it's ****ing dangerous but there seems to be little regard for womens safety for fear of being seen as a bigot, that our safety and privacy is now seen as less important.

[Maru]

Personally, I think when it comes to multiculturalism and the way our societies are constructed now, we have to all realize now, we can't all have our cake and eat it too. For example, with regards to this conversation, some folk will find our use of language or cultural values oppressive, and tolerating that is the new civility... this is just something we have to individually accept and tolerate, that some other people will see things a different way. It doesn't mean we have to lapse on our own belief systems and in our own judgements, but I think this is the new "us" in that sense, that we will have to be civil towards ideologies that don't match our own.

There is no shared identity, in the sense that we can all agree on each others positions on things, etc anymore, and get along like a 40's TV episode... as I see it, humility and civility go hand in hand... I'm OK to concede some areas, even OK to concede my "transphobia" if some folk desire to use a stricter definition... but I also don't think a transgender person should have to go through surgery and physical alter their being in order to fully integrate... I'm OK with sharing bathrooms with those folk as long as they attempt to pass, because our dress and our behaviors, those are markers... we know, ok we can expect this person is female. This is a universal code in a sense... but even making these concessions, I've already accepted that there will be folk who will be like "No, you want me to conform to X standard, that is way too far for me"... and that's what it is. Some people feel really strongly on these issues.. and you know, I have strong feelings too in some areas, and I'm not in the mindset to try to force this upon other folk. What I think and feel in my own time is my own business.. so I stand aside and let them people have their way... but to a certain point.

There are some truly hard edges in our society and we will have to come to a simplistic understanding of what that means for civility in the near future... in either case, I think our culture is about to change, our sense of co-joining national identity, even cultural identity (Western, Americanism, British, etc)... these are all about to be turned on their head. And that's OK if we all come out with a better understanding of where the other stands on their individual decisions in these terms... in the end, humility will have to be added to the recipe if we expect that there will be some kind of conjoined idea of "Us" ... that's where I feel a breaking point has occurred... anyway, I'm perfectly fine for people to yell at me cis cum queen if it helps the dust to settle just a little for them, I'll take it on the chin ...

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Basically the way I see it, transexuals have been around for a very longtime and women as far as I can tell haven't had any issues with that

Very true

Originally Posted by Cherie

Coming back to the new legislation about self identifying, exactly how can this work if I can the day after the law is passed put on a mans suit and tie walk into some longstanding all men's club and they have to accept me? as it stands at the moment (and I didn't know this until this morning) under the equality any man dressed in female clothes can access women's changing rooms and toilets, I really don't think this has been thought through properly at all.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

, what seems to be causing problems now is the whole Self ID issues and demanding access to womens prisons, changing rooms, bathrooms etc transwomen who have spent most of their lives as men and have biological advantages over women wanting to be able to compete against women in sport, sports which are sex segregated because of these biological advantages like MMA for example which is not just a physical contact sport but a combat sport, it's ****ing dangerous but there seems to be little regard for womens safety for fear of being seen as a bigot, that our safety and privacy is now seen as less important.

These are the real issues, as far as I see it anyway, I wonder if having a thread specifically about the self ID issues would be a good idea?

Originally Posted by Maru

anyway, I'm perfectly fine for people to yell at me cis cum queen

I'm sure (sorry couldn't help myself)

[Withano]

Cisgendered is a word that describes almost everybody in the world. Theres nothing offensive about it at all! You're literally getting offended by not being a minority.

[Alf]

Can I use the word "bent" to describe a homosexual?

Because the word "bent" is the oppisitte of the word "straight"

How do you feel on that one?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Can I use the word "bent" to describe a homosexual?

Because the word "bent" is the oppisitte of the word "straight"

How do you feel on that one?

Why would you use either when hetero and homo are words?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why would you use either when hetero and homo are words?

To describe somebody, just as you said the word cis is description (post 340)

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

To describe somebody, just as you said the word cis is description (post 340)

But, again, heterosexual/homosexual are the comparative words to cisgender/transgender.

"Bent" is homophobic. But you know that and just fancied being facetious.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Can I use the word "bent" to describe a homosexual?

Because the word "bent" is the oppisitte of the word "straight"

How do you feel on that one?

Homosexual is to gay men what transexual is to transmen
Heterosexual is to straight men what cisgendered is to non-trans men


Bent is on par with other homophobic, transphobic, racist slurs, and has nothing to do with standard terminology so youve missed the point by several miles.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Can I use the word "bent" to describe a homosexual?

Because the word "bent" is the oppisitte of the word "straight"

How do you feel on that one?

knock yourself out

no, I mean it, knock yourself out

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

knock yourself out

no, I mean it, knock yourself out

Well I'd have to do it myself, because you'd never be able to do it.

[Marsh.]

Old bitch. Short bastard. White trash. Straight scum.

Anything can be used as an insult. Doesn't make the original descriptions of old, short, white and straight anything more than they are.

[Withano]

Report cisphobia if you see it. Wouldnt get your hopes up though considering the relaxed approach to transphobia. As far as I know everyone on the forum is cisgendered, certainly everyone on the thread. This is such a non-issue, its laughable!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Report cisphobia if you see it. Wouldnt get your hopes up though considering the relaxed approach to transphobia. As far as I know everyone on the forum is cisgendered, certainly everyone on the thread. This is such a non-issue, its laughable!

You seem to be pretty much on your own here

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You seem to be pretty much on your own here

Are you saying I'm the only cisgendered person on the forum? Or I'm the only one that finds taking offence to the word hilarious? I think your wrong whatever you're trying to say tbh.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Are you saying I'm the only cisgendered person on the forum? Or I'm the only one that finds taking offence to the word hilarious? I think your wrong whatever you're trying to say tbh.

Oh he thinks the word is hilarious - does that change the views of anyone else I wonder!

It is the intent behind the current use of the word that many have an issue with. Blatant manipulation.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oh he thinks the word is hilarious - does that change the views of anyone else I wonder!

It is the intent behind the current use of the word that many have an issue with. Blatant manipulation.

I'm cisgendered, you're cisgendered. Only one of us is offended by the word, and its the one mocking snowflakes in their tag.

[Marsh.]

I'm cisgendered and I find it hilarious too.

[Alf]

I like fanny

[Marsh.]

Alf seems to think the thread topic is about straight and gay people and it aint.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Alf seems to think the thread topic is about straight and gay people and it aint.

Are you Policing again?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Are you Policing again?

When people come on and try to purposely twist a discussion, yes I will.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

When people come on and try to purposely twist a discussion, yes I will.

I completely get that you would understand anyone doing that!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I completely get that you would understand anyone doing that!

Now she's starting.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Alf seems to think the thread topic is about straight and gay people and it aint.

You used the word "straight" do you know how offensive that is?

You don't care though, do ya?