[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

in your scenario

the maccanns did something that they now regret, they and the other people thought it was ok at the time - it turned out to be a mistake in that specific situation

Take away the man or woman who snatched the child and there is no danger.

"Sorry officer, when I was hurtling down the country road at 100mph and overtook a tractor on a blind corner, I honestly thought it was OK at the time. Take away that family hatchback coming the other way that I forced off of the road, or that tree that they hit, or their tank full of petrol that exploded... and there was no danger. Am I free to go?"

The assumed outcome... hell, even the ACTUAL outcome of an act... has absolutely no bearing on whether or not that action was stupid.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

in your scenario

the maccanns did something that they now regret, they and the other people thought it was ok at the time - it turned out to be a mistake in that specific situation

Take away the man or woman who snatched the child and there is no danger.

Of course there was danger, two two year olds and a 3 year old alone in an unlocked apartment and there's no danger wtf? lol Roads + Cars + Unlocked Doors + 3 year olds = Disaster for one thing, also the McCanns (apparently) were the only ones stupid enough to leave the door unlocked btw

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Of course there was danger, two two year olds and a 3 year old alone in an unlocked apartment and there's no danger wtf? lol Roads + Cars + Unlocked Doors + 3 year olds = Disaster for one thing, also the McCanns (apparently) were the only ones stupid enough to leave the door unlocked btw

there are dangers like that going to the shops, leaving them at nursery etc

kids get hanged on cords of blinds while mum hoovers, they choke on lego, 58,000 children have accidents on domestic stairs each year

I saw a line of nursery kids today walking down a busy road, if one saw a dog and ran after it...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there are dangers like that going to the shops, leaving them at nursery etc

kids get hanged on cords of blinds while mum hoovers, they choke on lego, 58,000 children have accidents on domestic stairs each year

I saw a line of nursery kids today walking down a busy road, if one saw a dog and ran after it...

Answer me this then, have you ever left your kids alone at home/on holiday while you went out for a meal and some drinks, when they were babies?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Answer me this then, have you ever left your kids alone at home/on holiday while you went out for a meal and some drinks, when they were babies?

i never but my life or yours is not a template for perfection

I once picked up my eldest in her car seat thinking she was strapped in and launched her across the room, she landed on the carpet unhurt but she could have ended up in the fireplace engulfed in flames (it was horrible).

I would not have done what they did because i would have thought "what is some paedo comes and takes them" as i am naturally cautious and do not trust anyone but i understand others are different.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i never but my life or yours is not a template for perfection

I once picked up my eldest in her car seat thinking she was strapped in and launched her across the room, she landed on the carpet unhurt but she could have ended up in the fireplace engulfed in flames (it was horrible).

I would not have done what they did because i would have thought "what is some paedo comes and takes them" as i am naturally cautious and do not trust anyone but i understand others are different.

There's a pretty huge difference between an absent-minded accident and a reckless, yet entirely pre-planned, course of action. Everyone has accidents with their kids. When my eldest was 2, I hit a kerb with her in the buggy, and she'd climbed out of her straps. She was launched out of it about 3 feet, face down into the snow. It was ****ing hilarious. BUT of course, there could have been a rock there and it could have ended horribly. It was still an accident. There are countless stories of parents not paying attention / being aware of where a child is and reversing their car into them. Often with horrible outcomes. Still everyday accidents. Sometimes those accidents are even fatal.

...choosing to leave your children alone in an unlocked room and go for dinner, is not an accident. They didn't trip on the steps, roll a few hundred metres and land in a pile of Tapas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's a pretty huge difference between an absent-minded accident and a reckless, yet entirely pre-planned, course of action. Everyone has accidents with their kids. When my eldest was 2, I hit a kerb with her in the buggy, and she'd climbed out of her straps. She was launched out of it about 3 feet, face down into the snow. It was ****ing hilarious. BUT of course, there could have been a rock there and it could have ended horribly. It was still an accident. There are countless stories of parents not paying attention / being aware of where a child is and reversing their car into them. Often with horrible outcomes. Still everyday accidents. Sometimes those accidents are even fatal.

...choosing to leave your children alone in an unlocked room and go for dinner, is not an accident. They didn't trip on the steps, roll a few hundred metres and land in a pile of Tapas.

tes but TS for your scenario to work you need to add a child snatcher into it


other wise, nowt happens

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

tes but TS for your scenario to work you need to add a child snatcher into it


other wise, nowt happens

"Sorry officer, when I was hurtling down the country road at 100mph and overtook a tractor on a blind corner, I honestly thought it was OK at the time. Take away that family hatchback coming the other way that I forced off of the road, or that tree that they hit, or their tank full of petrol that exploded... and there was no danger. Am I free to go?"

The assumed outcome... hell, even the ACTUAL outcome of an act... has absolutely no bearing on whether or not that action was stupid.

I literally just posted this...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I literally just posted this...

yes but you just said we all do stupid things

some of uys are lucky, some are not

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i never but my life or yours is not a template for perfection

I once picked up my eldest in her car seat thinking she was strapped in and launched her across the room, she landed on the carpet unhurt but she could have ended up in the fireplace engulfed in flames (it was horrible).

I would not have done what they did because i would have thought "what is some paedo comes and takes them" as i am naturally cautious and do not trust anyone but i understand others are different.

I rest my case though, i knew you wouldn't have because you aren't stupid and you don't come across as irresponsible either.

like you, the "someone coming into the apartment" would have crossed my mind but not as much as the - what if they wake and have an accident? What if maddie wakes and wanders out the unlocked door and gets run over? Or mainly what if they wake up crying and there's no one there to comfort them and they're absolutely terrified because they're on their own.... and even if none of those thoughts had occurred to them on their own, surely Maddie actually telling them she and her younger brother had woken up scared and alone the night before would have ticked that box for them?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes but you just said we all do stupid things

some of uys are lucky, some are not

Feel like you entirely missed the point. Everyone makes absent-minded mistakes that don't end as intended and can end badly. That is NOT the same as deliberately and repeatedly doing something reckless.

I can only really use the car example again... Let's say someone genuinely thinks it's safe to overtake, at a reasonable speed, on a country road but something happens - something wrong with the car, maybe even something they could or should have noticed - and they end up forcing another car off the road and someone dies. There's still an element of fault, but when it comes right down to it, when they made that decision they didn't know how risky it was.

Now, compare that to the car doing 100mph and over-taking on a blind corner. THAT is stupid, reckless and dangerous. It's no less stupid, reckless or dangerous if the road happens to be clear and they make it round and home in one piece. The action itself is what is stupid and reckless. The fact that it might turn out fine DOES NOT MATTER.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Feel like you entirely missed the point. Everyone makes absent-minded mistakes that don't end as intended and can end badly. That is NOT the same as deliberately and repeatedly doing something reckless.

I can only really use the car example again... Let's say someone genuinely thinks it's safe to overtake, at a reasonable speed, on a country road but something happens - something wrong with the car, maybe even something they could or should have noticed - and they end up forcing another car off the road and someone dies. There's still an element of fault, but when it comes right down to it, when they made that decision they didn't know how risky it was.

Now, compare that to the car doing 100mph and over-taking on a blind corner. THAT is stupid, reckless and dangerous. It's no less stupid, reckless or dangerous if the road happens to be clear and they make it round and home in one piece. The action itself is what is stupid and reckless. The fact that it might turn out fine DOES NOT MATTER.

reckless in your mind but not theirs or the other couples

people think differently

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

reckless in your mind but not theirs or the other couples



people think differently

None of the other couples left the door unlocked though

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

None of the other couples left the door unlocked though

One of the other couples left a puking toddler though. That could easily have gone very wrong. Clearly none of the couples loved their kids enough to actually care what happened to them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

One of the other couples left a puking toddler though. That could easily have gone very wrong. Clearly none of the couples loved their kids enough to actually care what happened to them.

Exactly. There's only one way to describe the whole situation... They were complacent, arrogant, and reckless with the wellbeing of their children. LT's defense of this seems to be that "loads of people do it and assume it'll be OK because it usually is". Nope. It just means that loads of people are equally reckless.

[Kizzy]

Who does it? I have never known anyone to... I don't move in the right circles obviously.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who does it? I have never known anyone to... I don't move in the right circles obviously.

Same here, the done "thing" I've experienced with both myself and other people I know who take young children on holiday is to take your kids to dinner with you but then again people I know don't actually leave their kids in the Creche all day long either for everyday of the holiday.

Actually, 2 other questions, why bring your kids at all if you're not going to spend anytime looking after them yourself? Why not leave them with their grand parents or someone at home?

and secondly, if they were too nervous to pay a babysitter they didn't know to look after them in the evening, how come it was ok to do that during the day?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and secondly, if they were too nervous to pay a babysitter they didn't know to look after them in the evening, how come it was ok to do that during the day?

Not only that, but "we're too nervous to have them looked after by someone we don't know, so we're just going to leave them there alone" makes absolutely zero sense.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not only that, but "we're too nervous to have them looked after by someone we don't know, so we're just going to leave them there alone" makes absolutely zero sense.

yep and again LT keeps referring to the (alleged) child snatcher having to be involved for there to have been a problem with leaving the kids alone but that is actually incorrect, the (alleged) child snatcher incident was actually the second incident that we know of, the first being Maddie and her 2 year old brother waking up scared and alone and crying (presumably crying themselves to sleep since they weren't still crying when the parents got back) the night before, the fact that that wasn't a big enough and serious enough incident to not leave them alone like that again beggers belief tbqh

[chuff me dizzy]

http://laidbareblog.blogspot.co.uk/2...-locked-v.html

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

http://laidbareblog.blogspot.co.uk/2...-locked-v.html

Yeah, I don't believe it was unlocked, leaving the door unlocked makes no sense at all. But if it wasn't unlocked and the McCanns are purposely lying about that, eventhough it makes them sound even more negligent then it does beg the question what the hell are they covering up.......

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I don't believe it was unlocked, leaving the door unlocked makes no sense at all. But if it wasn't unlocked and the McCanns are purposely lying about that, eventhough it makes them sound even more negligent then it does beg the question what the hell are they covering up.......

It wasn't unlocked,but neglect is their alibi so they have to push it,sadly Maddie had met her demise before that night

[Marsh.]

The gist of the bombshell information received here is this: Gerry McCann is privy to information implicating the Royal Family in the murder of Princess Diana. This was his leverage.

Some of these theories are ridiculous.

You could make a great movie out of half of them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

essentially its all a cover up for the fake moon landings

[Niamh.]

Yeah some theories are pretty bizarre