[Beso]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I haven't looked, but you cannot ignore the fact trans women are 4x more likely to be a victim of violence than cis gender people. Do you really honestly think a trans woman is safer in the male changing rooms than the female ones? Are cis women really that violent?

Do you have any stats on how likely they are to commit sexual violence towards female children than a woman is?

[Livia]

Trans women suggested we use disabled toilets if we didn't like them in women's toilets. I suggest they take their own advice.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Trans women suggested we use disabled toilets if we didn't like them in women's toilets. I suggest they take their own advice.

Indeed and as I indicated earlier establishments have already taken steps by turning single toilets into unisex also as has been said on numerous occasions toilets are a distraction technique...refuges sports jobs all much more important but don't let that get in the way of 'worrying' about peeing

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thankfully women and girls will now be able to feel safe again

that is progress

[Vicky.]

It's transmens choice if they wish to use male spaces imo. Unless men complain about that, in which case a discussion needs to be had (not #nodebate stonewall)

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It's transmens choice if they wish to use male spaces imo. Unless men complain about that, in which case a discussion needs to be had (not #nodebate stonewall)

Okay cool. But you’re fine with them using women’s spaces too, if they want to?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Okay cool. But you’re fine with them using women’s spaces too, if they want to?

If they don't pass yes. If this is the case then they will probably be at risk in the mens. Most transmen I have met just look a bit butch. But testosterone is strong stuff so I know it's quite possible for them to fully pass

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If they don't pass yes. If this is the case then they will probably be at risk in the mens. Most transmen I have met just look a bit butch. But testosterone is strong stuff so I know it's quite possible for them to fully pass

That's fine, thanks for admitting it's not about the importance of biological sex at all, it's just about how they look.

It's interesting trans men are given the "for their safety they can use the bathroom they are most safe in" but trans women aren't granted that pass. Patriarchy, amirite?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It's transmens choice if they wish to use male spaces imo. Unless men complain about that, in which case a discussion needs to be had (not #nodebate stonewall)

Personally I would not walk into a man's space without men's permission, so that's generally where I've left it.

[Livia]

There is no such thing as cis women.

Women
Trans women
Men
Trans men

I do not need a title imposed on me for the benefit of a tiny subsection of society.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

There is no such thing as cis women.

Women
Trans women
Men
Trans men

I do not need a title imposed on me for the benefit of a tiny subsection of society.

Nobody is forcing you to use it. Cis is an adjective that has been used for a long, long time. If you want to not use words that fine. If you don’t wish to be called it, that’s also fine and I won’t call you specifically a cis woman, but you don’t get deny words just because they trigger you.

[bots]

how many cases have there been reported about men feeling threatened by a trans man using their toilet? Surely it was a big issue prior to this ruling?

[BBXX]

Yes, there are some extremists who think it's transphobic to not want to date a trans person - I have a problem with that and it feels gay-erasure-esque. However it's a tiny minority of a minority. It feels hyperbolic to say lesbians are "under attack".

It's so weird because whenever minorities are discussed, conversation always turns to the extremists within that group, the group that by far do not represent the majority of people within that demographic. It happens all the time.

This whole conversation has been hyperbolic in fact, this idea that trans women are some extreme threat to women because of a few isolated incidences where a trans woman existing has negatively effected a cis woman.

A recent study showed that a third of men would rape a woman if they thought there'd be no consequences/nobody would ever find out. A third of straight cis University students. A third. But instead the world seems to focus on trans women being this insane threat to every other woman out there. Give me a break.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes, there are some extremists who think it's transphobic to not want to date a trans person - I have a problem with that and it feels gay-erasure-esque. However it's a tiny minority of a minority. It feels hyperbolic to say lesbians are "under attack".

It's so weird because whenever minorities are discussed, conversation always turns to the extremists within that group, the group that by far do not represent the majority of people within that demographic. It happens all the time.

This whole conversation has been hyperbolic in fact, this idea that trans women are some extreme threat to women because of a few isolated incidences where a trans woman existing has negatively effected a cis woman.

A recent study showed that a third of men would rape a woman if they thought there'd be no consequences/nobody would ever find out. A third of straight cis University students. A third. But instead the world seems to focus on trans women being this insane threat to every other woman out there. Give me a break.

A third of men are basically saying that they have considered raping women in the past?

That's a horrifying statistic.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

A third of men are basically saying that they have considered raping women in the past?

That's a horrifying statistic.

It's vile but sadly not surprising

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It's vile but sadly not surprising

Thank god that it wasn't the majority of men.

Small mercies and all that.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes, there are some extremists who think it's transphobic to not want to date a trans person - I have a problem with that and it feels gay-erasure-esque. However it's a tiny minority of a minority. It feels hyperbolic to say lesbians are "under attack".

It's so weird because whenever minorities are discussed, conversation always turns to the extremists within that group, the group that by far do not represent the majority of people within that demographic. It happens all the time.

This whole conversation has been hyperbolic in fact, this idea that trans women are some extreme threat to women because of a few isolated incidences where a trans woman existing has negatively effected a cis woman.

A recent study showed that a third of men would rape a woman if they thought there'd be no consequences/nobody would ever find out. A third of straight cis University students. A third. But instead the world seems to focus on trans women being this insane threat to every other woman out there. Give me a break.

You are completely missing the point, transwomen are not the threat, self ID is because it gives opportunists an opportunity, dont know how many times this needs to be said to you

Also when has a transman taken away an opportunity from a man, can you point me to where a transman is a CEO or heads up an organisation that specifically supports men? Any transmen taking medals at sports events away from men? Any transmen in men only clubs..you just never hear it

[Niamh.]

So it's not about biological sex but also it's the "Patriarchy" when transwomen (biological men are exculded) seems like the opposite of Patriarchy to me

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So it's not about biological sex but also it's the "Patriarchy" when transwomen (biological men are exculded) seems like the opposite of Patriarchy to me

It's patriarchal because you're giving those living life as a man a pass on which spaces they can use depending on where they feel most safe, while limiting the spaces some people living as women get access to.

Who'd have thought living life as a man granted you extra privileges. A tale as old as time. Shame so many women in this thread are upholding it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

It's patriarchal because you're giving those living life as a man a pass on which spaces they can use depending on where they feel most safe, while limiting the spaces some people living as women get access to.



Who'd have thought living life as a man granted you extra privileges. A tale as old as time. Shame so many women in this thread are upholding it.

Unfortunately that's not how it works, we can't just opt in to male privilege. Odd how you think we're the only group that can opt in to privilege though,

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Unfortunately that's not how it works, we can't just opt in to male privilege. Odd how you think we're the only group that can opt in to privilege though,

Every group has their own set of privileges, of course. I'm just talking about this specific example with that specific opinion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Every group has their own set of privileges, of course. I'm just talking about this specific example with that specific opinion.

Mmhhmm sure you are, you sound like the Patriarchy to me trying to take away women only spaces and then gaslight women who say no, a tale as old as time unfortunately

[Beso]

Nobody wants to see a bearded woman bending her bare arse over a urinal to squeeze out a pee.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

Nobody wants to see a bearded woman bending her bare arse over a urinal to squeeze out a pee.

You are in for a surprise.

[Mystic Mock]

And yes, I have heard about both places from other Social Media outlets... Unfortunately.