[chuff me dizzy]

McCann did not even look for Maddie on night one ,and went to bed at 3 o,clock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCV...Grvgvn5nkiY6fA

[chuff me dizzy]

One the videos which shows the body language of the McCanns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFzRFrIfv2M

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

One the videos which shows the body language of the McCanns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFzRFrIfv2M

Thanks, Chuff. That's a real eye opener. Gerry was fidgeting lot when asked about giving Maddie sleeping pills. That suggests lying to me.

[MTVN]

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

Yeah, and the main source they use is media stories

Misleading seems to crop up a lot on the rebuttals. Though if you actually read them, seems much of what they are trying to debunk is actually correct.

The dogs stuff...most the 'disproving' stuff is just silly. It was never claimed that the dogs findings were backed up with DNA evidence as far a I am aware..if it was, the McCanns would have been arrested on the spot. So to say the dogs findings story is false because there wasnt the DNA to back it up..hardly takes away from the fact that the dogs found something in there..the video of such is found in many places on the internet.

The explanations appear to be all smoke an mirrors tbh

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

Thanks for posting this.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

The stuff about the dogs is definitely worth a read.

[James]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The McCanns left at around 8.30. Gerry checked at around 9pm..apparently kids were all ok, he went to loo, had a chat with someone then went back to table (around 9.25). Oldfield checked kids at 9.30, but only saw twins, never thought to check Maddie was there. Quiet so assumed everything was fine. Kate checked kids at 10pm and realised Maddie was missing.

Gerry was only one to actually see Madeline between them leaving the apartment and Kate discovering she was gone.

So they were dining happily with their friends, with no indication that anything was wrong until 10 pm. I read that they raised the alarm with the resort and asked for the police to be called at 10:10 pm. So that is only 10 minutes in between?

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

There's a lot of rebuttals on that site involving the seven friends which shows the conspiracy theories must only hold up if the friends were covering things up? Which I said was highly unlikely.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by James

So they were dining happily with their friends, with no indication that anything was wrong until 10 pm. I read that they raised the alarm with the resort and asked for the police to be called at 10:10 pm. So that is only 10 minutes in between?

Kate discovered her missing at 10pm (according to both timelines written by the Tapas 9). A search was started, the police werent called until nearer 11pm than 10 (think it was about 10.40 ish)

Mind I understand not calling the police immediately. She could have been hiding or something, they had to be certain she was gone.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Kate discovered her missing at 10pm (according to both timelines written by the Tapas 9). A search was started, the police werent called until nearer 11pm than 10 (think it was about 10.40 ish)

I find that really odd. Why not call the police straight away?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by James

There's a lot of rebuttals on that site involving the seven friends which shows the conspiracy theories must only hold up if the friends were covering things up? Which I said was highly unlikely.

But thats not true. If you read the statements of the friends.

That site does a terrible job of rebutting anything. Their main sources are news stories and McCann interviews (which the story changes in very often too)

They say a lot of the 'conspiracies' are misleading, yet their rebuttals are just as misleading.

[Kazanne]

There have been few mysteries in my time ,but this one is like a maze,so much has happened yet we seem to have little knowledge of where she is,there seems to be 'something' not right with her parents,just not sure what it is.

[Vanessa]

Why are they so convinced Maddie was kidnapped? She may have wondered off by herself.

He is from Portugal, Cherie, and everyone in Portugal knows.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

He is from Portugal, Cherie, and everyone in Portugal knows.

I think accidental death is the most likely scenario.

[Niamh.]

Just reading a little more about it atm and I came across this statement, I think it's a few years old, have they ever done one? That's also suspicious imo :

Neither Kate or Gerry have taken or indicate they will take a polygraph. Parents of missing children do this to clear themselves so the police will not waste time focusing on them.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id191.html

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just reading a little more about it atm and I came across this statement, I think it's a few years old, have they ever done one? That's also suspicious imo :

Neither Kate or Gerry have taken or indicate they will take a polygraph. Parents of missing children do this to clear themselves so the police will not waste time focusing on them.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id191.html

No they haven't.

Would clear a lot up.

I know polygraph tests aren't 100% reliable though. Maybe thats why..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No they haven't.

Would clear a lot up.

I know polygraph tests aren't 100% reliable though. Maybe thats why..

mmm I don't know, I guess again I'm just putting myself in their shoes, as a parent, if my baby just disappeared I would do anything at all that might help with the case, that would be my main priority, I couldn't imagine being too worried about whether or not I would fail it

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just reading a little more about it atm and I came across this statement, I think it's a few years old, have they ever done one? That's also suspicious imo :

Neither Kate or Gerry have taken or indicate they will take a polygraph. Parents of missing children do this to clear themselves so the police will not waste time focusing on them.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id191.html

Kate said when they fled from Portugal ,the day after being made arguido that she was willing to take lie detector test, to date she has refused ,IMO before 1p of taxpayers money was handed over to them ,they should have been made to take one .. the idea to charge them in the early days came from the Uk police NOT Pj (or bumbling pj as the red tops like to call them ) Le Rainbow a criminal profiler who worked for the Home Offices report ........ http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ts-brit-200689

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Kate said when they fled from Portugal ,the day after being made arguido that she was willing to take lie detector test, to date she has refused ,IMO before 1p of taxpayers money was handed over to them ,they should have been made to take one .. the idea to charge them in the early days came from the Uk police NOT Pj (or bumbling pj as the red tops like to call them ) Le Rainbow a criminal profiler who worked for the Home Offices report ........ http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ts-brit-200689

Yes good point Chuff,you'de think it would be the first thing they would do,well one of the first,firstly I would look for her!

[chuff me dizzy]

Do any of you know McCanns deleted phone calls ,text messages before police called? why would you do that ? http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Do any of you know McCanns deleted phone calls ,text messages before police called? why would you do that ? http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

Really? How odd.

[Brother Leon]

People really underestimating what it would take for them to have pulled this off. To have realised she died,disposed of the body, got back etc lord knows how long it may of took. Of course it may of happened earlier, but to dispose of a dead body in a place you are not completely familiar with no less without it reappearing after 7 years now and not one person spotting the suspicion(this would of been daylight and busy unless it happened alot longer before at like 5am) you either need to be incredibly lucky or some sort of criminal mastermind that had this planned for a while. I highly doubt they are any. They are **** parents who left the child vulnerable and once the guy saw the media hunt he probably panicked and killed her. I assume he would know what he was doing to pull it off or at least had someone telling him what to do that did.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

People really underestimating what it would take for them to have pulled this off. To have realised she died,disposed of the body, got back etc lord knows how long it may of took. Of course it may of happened earlier, but to dispose of a dead body in a place you are not completely familiar with no less without it reappearing after 7 years now and not one person spotting the suspicion(this would of been daylight and busy unless it happened alot longer before at like 5am) you either need to be incredibly lucky or some sort of criminal mastermind that had this planned for a while. I highly doubt they are any. They are **** parents who left the child vulnerable and once the guy saw the media hunt he probably panicked and killed her. I assume he would know what he was doing to pull it off or at least had someone telling him what to do that did.

..yeah, exactly, Leon....

[Z]

Hypothetically... (as always, theorising away )

They go away on a family holiday with their friends who all have kids too, they decide that it's mostly about the grown ups and it's their time to have some fun so they fob the kids off onto day care for the most part and put them to bed early so they can go out at night. They leave phones, kids and all responsibilities in the rooms and leave the doors unlocked so that every half hour someone can go check on whoever has kids on the holiday with them. Madeleine tells her parents that they woke up and were scared and crying the night before she goes missing; the parents find this an inconvenience so they up her dosage of sleeping pills or whatever form of sedative they're using so she doesn't wake up...

Madeleine does wake up, however, and because she's groggy from the medication, goes through to the living room, perhaps climbs onto the sofa but falls off and hits her head and bleeds to death. Gerry comes back at 9pm and freaks out, perhaps picks her up using some of Kate's clothing (mentioned that there was the scent of death on her clothing - but was that the clothing she was wearing that night?), runs through to the bedroom in a panic (scent of death there?), runs to the car, puts her in the boot, gets rid of the body temporarily (perhaps leaves it in the boot of the car), stages the room to look like a break in, returns to dinner - Kate finds her missing an hour later, Gerry goes out looking for her and uses this time to get rid of the body...

I dunno, I don't really like to think of them as nasty people but I do find their generally unapologetic attitude towards what happened very unpleasant, if not a little bit suspicious. I'd rather believe that she was kidnapped and they were just unfortunately punished for their lax parenting but it is SO rare for these things to happen at the hands of a stranger... that doesn't mean it isn't possible, but statistically, they're always going to be the main suspects.