[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yes I would agree !!

We live in a lovely quiet cul-de-sac and each Thursday it was the elderly neighbours who were out first and also the noisiest .


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Hmm. While they were doing so, my wife was delivering methadone (on her own) to junkies in darkened high-rise flats in areas you can barely imagine, because the rules meant they weren't allowed to pick up their prescriptions in person, while I was sat at home worried about her being attacked because it was completely against all protocol and completely unsafe.

But I'm happy for your wee elderly neighbours. On their lovely quiet cul-de-sac. Their loud pot banging probably helped a lot.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Hmm. While they were doing so, my wife was delivering methadone (on her own) to junkies in darkened high-rise flats in areas you can barely imagine, because the rules meant they weren't allowed to pick up their prescriptions in person, while I was sat at home worried about her being attacked because it was completely against all protocol and completely unsafe.

But I'm happy for your wee elderly neighbours. On their lovely quiet cul-de-sac. Their loud pot banging probably helped a lot.

It helped all the neighbours as it raised our spirits


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It helped all the neighbours as it raised our spirits


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Like I said - then it should have been called "clap to raise everyone's spirits" or "clap for solidarity".

Not "clap for the NHS"

Because it wasn't for the NHS. That's clearer than ever.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yes I would agree !!

We live in a lovely quiet cul-de-sac and each Thursday it was the elderly neighbours who were out first and also the noisiest .


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Yes, the noise gave me a feeling that you wernt alone.

[Parmy]

Well I have love and respect for my fellow man, so I'm happy to say that cared about other people getting thought it all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well I have love and respect for my fellow man, so I'm happy to say that cared about other people getting thought it all.

You cared about some of them, at the expense of others. We all have our biases I suppose.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

You cared about some of them, at the expense of others. We all have our biases I suppose.

What on earth does that mean?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What on earth does that mean?

I literally just explained that the tub-banging - supposedly for the NHS - which multiple people on this thread including yourself are freely admitting was not for the NHS at all but for "not feeling alone", was demotivating, depressing and harmful to members of NHS staff who knew it was all performative nonsense and not actually for them at all.

But you don't care about how they felt. You only care about how it helped the people who were doing it.

That's what it means.

You care about some of the people and how it affected them. You do not care about those who found it to be a negative.

If they'd been honest and called it "clap for solidarity" that would be fine, but they did not. They called it "clap for the NHS". And then as soon as Covid was over (actually, before it was over) people switched firmly to "screw the NHS".

Absolute joke. But so long as some old Tories in their comfy cul-de-sac didn't "have to feel alone". Jesus wept.

[Parmy]

I said it wasnt just for the NHS....And anyway, nurses and that should be happy that it helped people with their mental anxiety during those dark days.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I said it wasnt just for the NHS....And anyway, nurses and that should be happy that it helped people with their mental anxiety during those dark days.

Yes because the expectation of NHS staff is that they're martyrs/saints and should be endlessly happy so long as everyone else is happy. It wasn't for the NHS at all. It was for scared/lonely people on their doorsteps.

Like I said Parmy - you care about who you care about, you don't give a stuff about the people who found the clapping condescending and harmful. Everything you say confirms that, and that's fine, but get off the moral high ground when people are criticising it.

It was selfishness masquerading as gratitude and that stinks.

[Parmy]

It was clapping ffs get over yourself

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It was clapping ffs get over yourself

Seems like it was important a moment ago . A "coping mechanism" that people needed, you said. Was it just frivolous nonsense after all then? I'm glad we see eye to eye!

[Parmy]

I cant be doing with negativity today so I'm afraid I will leave you to get your knickers in a twist over the reasons for clapping, with someone else

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I cant be doing with negativity today so I'm afraid I will leave you to get your knickers in a twist over the reasons for clapping, with someone else

Carry on in comfortable ignorance Parmy, that's the theme of the day it appears. Maybe you can rally some of the neighbours and have a wee clap.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Carry on in comfortable ignorance Parmy, that's the theme of the day it appears. Maybe you can rally some of the neighbours and have a wee clap.

What would you like us to call this clapping?

Because it has to have a name..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What would you like us to call this clapping?

Because it has to have a name..

Clap Loud With The Neebs to Drown Out The Scary Thoughts.

Twice daily, 8am and 8pm. 8am just hands, 8pm tubs and pots optional.

[Parmy]

Oh you're so mentally tough TS. Well done you.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Oh you're so mentally tough TS. Well done you.

I have no problem whatsoever with people doing what they need to do to cope in whatever way works - so long as they're not disregarding and exploiting other people to do so.

NHS staff were used as an idol, a crutch and then swiftly when it was convenient, became a scapegoat. It's disgusting behaviour from the British public and not something to be fondly remembered. Shameful.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I have no problem whatsoever with people doing what they need to do to cope in whatever way works - so long as they're not disregarding and exploiting other people to do so.

NHS staff were used as an idol, a crutch and then swiftly when it was convenient, became a scapegoat. It's disgusting behaviour from the British public and not something to be fondly remembered. Shameful.

Shameful seems a bit ott

As far as I can see NHS staff are still held in very high regard by the public

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Shameful seems a bit ott

As far as I can see NHS staff are still held in very high regard by the public

So long as they can refer to them as "angels" and not increase their pay by a penny. Highly regarded martyrs.

"Shameful" isn't OTT at all as a description of how British politicians and the British public treat healthcare professionals.

I'm not referring to the clapping at the time as shameful - that was just silly hive mind nonsense, I doubt anyone who did it gave it more than an ounce of thought.

The fact that the same people who were stood banging tubs completely turned on those same people they were clapping for as soon as they said "hey maybe pay us fairly" - that is shameful. No other word for it.

But as we've discovered no one was clapping for the NHS after all, they were clapping for themselves and their neighbours. Parmy and Zizu said so.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

So long as they can refer to them as "angels" and not increase their pay by a penny. Highly regarded martyrs.

"Shameful" isn't OTT at all as a description of how British politicians and the British public treat healthcare professionals.

I'm not referring to the clapping at the time as shameful - that was just silly hive mind nonsense, I doubt anyone who did it gave it more than an ounce of thought.

The fact that the same people who were stood banging tubs completely turned on those same people they were clapping for as soon as they said "hey maybe pay us fairly" - that is shameful. No other word for it.

But as we've discovered no one was clapping for the NHS after all, they were clapping for themselves and their neighbours. Parmy and Zizu said so.

The public haven't had much of a say in that tbf. We haven't had an election since 2019 and it looks like the current gov are going to be totally annihilated the first chance the public has had. Support for various strike action has been fairly high across much of the country as well.

I think you're overly harsh on the public, it's not exactly been sunshine and rainbows for most people ever since the pandemic

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I have no problem whatsoever with people doing what they need to do to cope in whatever way works - so long as they're not disregarding and exploiting other people to do so.

NHS staff were used as an idol, a crutch and then swiftly when it was convenient, became a scapegoat. It's disgusting behaviour from the British public and not something to be fondly remembered. Shameful.

I think the idea came from a good place!

It was to show that we all recognised what they were doing for the country



We all thought we were gonna die ( the daily updates on the death toll wasn’t helpful)

Plus the NHS folk were seen as being on the front line and so at even more risk . They were risking their lives each day when the vast majority were on a long term , fully paid jolly in the good old British sunshine !!

I worked all through the covid years and each working day I felt nauseous through fear


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

risk . They were risking their lives each day

no they were not

they were risking getting a bad cold for 99.9% of them

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no they were not

they were risking getting a bad cold for 99.9% of them

Nobody knew anything at the time plus the death toll topped 7 MILLION !!!

That ain’t no bad cold ..



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[Crimson Dynamo]