[Z]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why are some people so sure she didn't wander off? the patio doors were left open.

I'm reading the website that claims they are guilty, and the McCanns have certainly given a lot of conflicting statements and withheld information that logically they should have been forthcoming about... but then there are also perfectly logical explanations for those things.

They said that they left the doors unlocked in case there was a fire so the kids could escape, and then later said Madeleine wasn't strong enough to open the doors by herself... so then why make that original statement? Bizarre... my responses are gonna change as I move onto the other website I can just tell haha

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zee

I'm reading the website that claims they are guilty, and the McCanns have certainly given a lot of conflicting statements and withheld information that logically they should have been forthcoming about... but then there are also perfectly logical explanations for those things.

They said that they left the doors unlocked in case there was a fire so the kids could escape, and then later said Madeleine wasn't strong enough to open the doors by herself... so then why make that original statement? Bizarre... my responses are gonna change as I move onto the other website I can just tell haha

I certainly wouldn't like to be anyone working on this,there is just no end to it.

[Z]

I've got to say as well, Jane Tanner seems like an extremely unreliable witness.

[Marsh.]

That statement about David Payne is very disturbing, especially since he was the last one to see her other than her parents.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why are some people so sure she didn't wander off? the patio doors were left open.

But was the patio doors open when they returned and the curtain moved?
I doubt she'd have fixed them back into place if she walked out through them, and I don't think she'd have been able to get the shutter on the window open.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She seems to be controlled by him,I noticed he butts in many a time when she is talking,he may be trying to help her out,but he's a strange one allright.

I noticed that on Crimewatch. A lot of "As Gerry said" and "Gerry convinced me this...".

I mean it's probably just him being the stronger person and helping his wife through it, she seems completely broken by it. But it was something that made me think too.

[Me. I Am Salman]

can someone sum everything up please

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Salman!

can someone sum everything up please

You'd be better watching the Crimewatch reconstruction. It's on youtube.

[GypsyGoth]

Maybe her wonky eye is a clue.

[the truth]

so leaving the patio doors open makes no sense on any level....i.e. if theres a fire they cant escape through the doors as maddie wasn't strong enough to open them? so basically they've left the doors open in a foreign country with 3 defenceless babies alone and one it seems was snatched. insane

[user104658]

The more I thought about this today the more I realised that it doesn't actually matter what happened in that room...

They left three infants alone and vulnerable, recklessly, carelessly endangering their lives - and one of them died. Whether it was an accident that was covered up or an abduction DOESN'T MATTER one bit. It could have been a fire, it could have been a choking incident, it could have been a freak pack of wild dogs entering through the open patio door and mauling them... but what difference does it really make? The McCanns are to blame for what happened to that girl no matter how it actually went down. They left their children in what was clearly a dangerous situation and something happened to one of those children. It makes me seriously angry that they're so keen to be portrayed as the victims.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The more I thought about this today the more I realised that it doesn't actually matter what happened in that room...

They left three infants alone and vulnerable, recklessly, carelessly endangering their lives - and one of them died. Whether it was an accident that was covered up or an abduction DOESN'T MATTER one bit. It could have been a fire, it could have been a choking incident, it could have been a freak pack of wild dogs entering through the open patio door and mauling them... but what difference does it really make? The McCanns are to blame for what happened to that girl no matter how it actually went down. They left their children in what was clearly a dangerous situation and something happened to one of those children. It makes me seriously angry that they're so keen to be portrayed as the victims.

Agreed and they did it for years BEFORE AND AFTER THIS TRAGEDY
SO DID THEIR FRIENDS

So what do you do when youre guilty of neglect? you go on the attack, you don't help detectives, you go straight to the Pope and david beckham. great diversory tactics all moving us farther from THE TRUTH

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The more I thought about this today the more I realised that it doesn't actually matter what happened in that room...

They left three infants alone and vulnerable, recklessly, carelessly endangering their lives - and one of them died. Whether it was an accident that was covered up or an abduction DOESN'T MATTER one bit. It could have been a fire, it could have been a choking incident, it could have been a freak pack of wild dogs entering through the open patio door and mauling them... but what difference does it really make? The McCanns are to blame for what happened to that girl no matter how it actually went down. They left their children in what was clearly a dangerous situation and something happened to one of those children. It makes me seriously angry that they're so keen to be portrayed as the victims.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by the truth

Agreed and they did it for years BEFORE AND AFTER THIS TRAGEDY
SO DID THEIR FRIENDS

So what do you do when youre guilty of neglect? you go on the attack, you don't help detectives, you go straight to the Pope and david beckham. great diversory tactics all moving us farther from THE TRUTH

How do you know that they did it for YEARS before and after

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Agreed.




How do you know that they did it for YEARS before and after

They admitted it i think.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They admitted it i think.

After as well I seriously doubt they have done it since unless they are totally insane.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Agreed.




How do you know that they did it for YEARS before and after

the mccanns admitted it on crimewatch....did you not watch the show? them and all their friends did it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by the truth

the mccanns admitted it on crimewatch....did you not watch the show? them and all their friends did it

I wasn't glued to it, it has to be said. We know they and their friends did it on that holiday and previously, but did they confirm that they continue to leave their children unsupervised?

Can I ask Chuff what exactly is the reason this internet group that you are a part of was set up?

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=the truth;6434537]Agreed and they did it for years BEFORE AND AFTER THIS TRAGEDY
SO DID THEIR FRIENDS

I will ask you again did they confirm this in the Crimewatch programme, because if they didn't this is yet another example of hysterical reporting of facts that are not facts at all.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The more I thought about this today the more I realised that it doesn't actually matter what happened in that room...

They left three infants alone and vulnerable, recklessly, carelessly endangering their lives - and one of them died. Whether it was an accident that was covered up or an abduction DOESN'T MATTER one bit. It could have been a fire, it could have been a choking incident, it could have been a freak pack of wild dogs entering through the open patio door and mauling them... but what difference does it really make? The McCanns are to blame for what happened to that girl no matter how it actually went down. They left their children in what was clearly a dangerous situation and something happened to one of those children. It makes me seriously angry that they're so keen to be portrayed as the victims.

I think perhaps this is the best post that will come out of this thread. They are still guilty of neglecting their children in favour of acting like a couple without children on holiday with them. They should have just left the kids at home with someone in the family if they were so keen to get away to exercise, wine and dine in the sun.

[chuff me dizzy]

If you were innocent why would refuse to answer 48 out of 49 police questions ? You simply would"nt http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7542939.stm

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

If you were innocent why would refuse to answer 48 out of 49 police questions ? You simply would"nt http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7542939.stm

Didn't she refuse to answer these questions after she had become an arguido?

If she'd refused to answer them immediately, then the police wouldn't have had any information at all to go on.

[thesheriff443]

you go away on holiday to relax and in some cases you let your guard down, and this is all that happened!, they where a hundred and fifty feet away from those kids and where checking on them, they where in a group, all doing the same thing! and that old saying saftey in numbers!,

what's more disturbing to me is that members on here where less vocal to condemn, baby p's mother and her early release for torturing her child on a daily basis than they are to condemn the mccanns.

this is just turned into a witch hunt, and the advert that springs to mind while reading this thread is the one that says, the internet you is better than the real you.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you go away on holiday to relax and in some cases you let your guard down, and this is all that happened!, they where a hundred and fifty feet away from those kids and where checking on them, they where in a group, all doing the same thing! and that old saying saftey in numbers!,

what's more disturbing to me is that members on here where less vocal to condemn, baby p's mother and her early release for torturing her child on a daily basis than they are to condemn the mccanns.

this is just turned into a witch hunt, and the advert that springs to mind while reading this thread is the one that says, the internet you is better than the real you.

They admitted it's not the first time they did it. It wasn't an isolated incident.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you go away on holiday to relax and in some cases you let your guard down, and this is all that happened!, they where a hundred and fifty feet away from those kids and where checking on them, they where in a group, all doing the same thing! and that old saying saftey in numbers!,

what's more disturbing to me is that members on here where less vocal to condemn, baby p's mother and her early release for torturing her child on a daily basis than they are to condemn the mccanns.

this is just turned into a witch hunt, and the advert that springs to mind while reading this thread is the one that says, the internet you is better than the real you.

That's pretty unfair, I think everyone was appalled at that case, the only reason this case is talked about more on here is because it's still somewhat of a mystery and unsolved, it's on going, the baby P case is not.

And to say leaving 3 babies alone in an unlocked apartment is simply a parent letting there guard done is a bit of a stretch imo, what it is is extremely irresponsible especially after your 3 year old told you they woke up crying and scared because they didn't know where you were in the middle of the night.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you go away on holiday to relax and in some cases you let your guard down, and this is all that happened!, they where a hundred and fifty feet away from those kids and where checking on them, they where in a group, all doing the same thing! and that old saying saftey in numbers!,

what's more disturbing to me is that members on here where less vocal to condemn, baby p's mother and her early release for torturing her child on a daily basis than they are to condemn the mccanns.

this is just turned into a witch hunt, and the advert that springs to mind while reading this thread is the one that says, the internet you is better than the real you.

you conveniently forgot to add they were 3 babies, they were abroad, it was further than 150 feet, they had no view of the apartment, also that they left the doors unlocked and supposedly gave the kids sedatives too. sorry but when you choose to ignore these factors which ultimately lead to the death of a baby girl, then your post is meaningless

Originally Posted by the truth

you conveniently forgot to add they were 3 babies, they were abroad, it was further than 150 feet, they had no view of the apartment, also that they left the doors unlocked and supposedly gave the kids sedatives too. sorry but when you choose to ignore these factors which ultimately lead to the death of a baby girl, then your post is meaningless

I'm pretty sure that the twins would have been tested for sedatives, so if they were clear, then the chances are that Maddie was clear also. Especially considering it was one of the twins that had a problem getting to sleep in the first place.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I'm pretty sure that the twins would have been tested for sedatives, so if they were clear, then the chances are that Maddie was clear also. Especially considering it was one of the twins that had a problem getting to sleep in the first place.

Why would they have been? Is that normal in a case of a missing child, to test the siblings for sedatives?