[Ammi]

....hmmm, I do know what you mean Matt, these are conflicts of thoughts that I've had as well...especially with Teresa's own family and any suspicions from the series toward them..her parents, not only having the pain of Teresa's death/how she was killed/ not even knowing themselves fully but having so much focus on the person who they believe to have murdered her/the campaign to free him and now the documentary series... it's become all about Steven and very little about Teresa/the victim...just unimaginable enough without having her son thought of as a suspect as well...

..it was the same with the first conviction wasn't it...the victim of rape becoming a secondary type person in Steven's pleas of innocence that proved to be true...but her life must have been/must be terribly devasted by that brutal attack...there was a vein of thought there as well of no sympathy with Steven/his wrongful imprisonment for that crime because of him disturbingly burning the cat and jumping out in front of his cousin's car and threatening her with a gun...not a 'well minded' person....but the bigger picture, whatever the vein of thought of that was that a rapist was still out there and free...and the same with this/in both cases...because of the mistake and errors/because of the incompetence/because of the corruption/because of the manipulation of Brendon..because of, because of, because of....whatever theory is held....Bobby for instance..?...is now married with children and presumably has a good life....but in his 'good and free life' now, he may just have murdered Teresa Halbach...so ughhhh, a difficult one....



..if it were my child, you're totally right, I wouldn't want to see this series probably and I wouldn't want to see these discussions and I wouldn't want to see the focus and attention on the person that I completely believed had murdered my child....but the thought of the person who ended her life having lived free for 10yrs (potentially..)...would I think for me, be a much more disturbing and painful thought...one of the worst and most painful/life destroying things as a parent who has lost a child in the way they lost Teresa must be the 'not knowing'...their body never being found/their killer never being held accountable, you know...

[Alf]

Looks to me like a Mafioso style of set-up.

People in high places of power can get away with anything, they can even get away with assassinating a president in broad daylight in front of the viewing public.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Looks to me like a Mafioso style of set-up.

People in high places of power can get away with anything, they can even get away with assassinating a president in broad daylight in front of the viewing public.

no, a solitary psychopathic communist murdered the president.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lostalex

no, a solitary psychopathic communist murdered the president.

It was the Mafia, they still ran your Country at that point.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by wannashag

It was the Mafia, they still ran your Country at that point.

that doesn't make any sense. look what happened to the mafia. if they had that much power in the US government then why did the US government completely destroy them a decade later? and why would the current US government still be hiding your so-called truth?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lostalex

that doesn't make any sense. look what happened to the mafia. if they had that much power in the US government then why did the US government completely destroy them a decade later? and why would the current US government still be hiding your so-called truth?

The hard drug culture of the 70s when the coke and heroin came on the scene played a big part in the downfall of the Mafia.

Why would the current government want to show how corrupt their establishment is by letting everybody know that they co-operated with the Mafia to assassinate a popular president.

I don't know this as fact, but this is just my assumption.


Anyway enough of Kennedy, back to the topic.

[Josy]

About Steven Avery

Prosecutors tried to delay his bail application applying for a motion to extend the case giving them more time to respond to corruption allegations.

But the state has been told to file their paperwork by March 2 so the case can go forward meaning Avery will learn what prosecutors have up their sleeve next Wednesday.

Read more at http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...ho7xSeAF6ab.99

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk...DDRZC3yv3jo.97

[Alf]

Does anybody know if Brendan got to watch Wrestlemania?

[Ammi]

..just to say Josy, because you've posted about Kathleen Zellner taking up Stephen's case..?..I read a few days ago..(sorry I forgot to save the link..)...that she's building up her appeal now as she is saying there is proof that Teresa used her phone after she left the Avery's home, that she did actually leave there ...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..just to say Josy, because you've posted about Kathleen Zellner taking up Stephen's case..?..I read a few days ago..(sorry I forgot to save the link..)...that she's building up her appeal now as she is saying there is proof that Teresa used her phone after she left the Avery's home, that she did actually leave there ...

Oh wow, really? I wonder where that evidence came from? that would have been vital in his case

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh wow, really? I wonder where that evidence came from? that would have been vital in his case

..I'm not sure this was the exact link but...

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/la...-avery-/401759

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm not sure this was the exact link but...

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/la...-avery-/401759

should she be tweeting evidence and stuff like that though before a case?

[Josy]

Yeah I've been.keeping up with her tweets ammi

She's also said there's evidence that the sherrifs officers were trying to get avery for murder before teresa was even found and that people were using fake id's to check in and out of the crime scene

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah I've been.keeping up with her tweets ammi

She's also said there's evidence that the sherrifs officers were trying to get avery for murder before teresa was even found and that people were using fake id's to check in and out of the crime scene

jesus Christ if that's true I hope to **** that every single one of them pricks is held completely accountable and they're locked up for the rest of their miserable lives

#MakingAMurderer2

[Ammi]

..yeah I was wondering as well, should she be tweeting all of it/trial by tweet..I thought that evidence to be used in a case was meant to be kept confidential and she's been tweeting how she's going to dispute all of the other 'evidence' as well..?...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

jesus Christ if that's true I hope to **** that every single one of them pricks is held completely accountable and they're locked up for the rest of their miserable lives

#MakingAMurderer2

..a friend of mine who also watched it, said that they were already making a 2nd series to update...so maybe all of these tweets are like 'publicity tasters' for it.....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah I've been.keeping up with her tweets ammi

She's also said there's evidence that the sherrifs officers were trying to get avery for murder before teresa was even found and that people were using fake id's to check in and out of the crime scene

I mean there's a difference between planting evidence on a guy because you believe he's responsible and actively setting a guy up when you know he didn't do it, a massive difference, obviously both are wrong but the latter is unforgivably bad

[user104658]

I'm telling you, it's a catspiracy. That's right. Catspiracy. The fire-cat survived all those years ago and all of this has been part of it's evil master-plan. Avery in fact knew that the cat was a supervillain all along, that's why he tried to destroy it the only way he knew how. With flame.

Everyone forgot about the damned cat.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm telling you, it's a catspiracy. That's right. Catspiracy. The fire-cat survived all those years ago and all of this has been part of it's evil master-plan. Avery in fact knew that the cat was a supervillain all along, that's why he tried to destroy it the only way he knew how. With flame.

Everyone forgot about the damned cat.

plot twist

[Niamh.]

any of you read/watch these? I'm definitely leaning more on the side that he is actually guilty now

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/co...erer-14280387/

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

any of you read/watch these? I'm definitely leaning more on the side that he is actually guilty now

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/co...erer-14280387/

Really ? I might read them later if I get time

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..just to say Josy, because you've posted about Kathleen Zellner taking up Stephen's case..?..I read a few days ago..(sorry I forgot to save the link..)...that she's building up her appeal now as she is saying there is proof that Teresa used her phone after she left the Avery's home, that she did actually leave there ...

or someone used her phone.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

or someone used her phone.

yep, that phone was found in the burn pit with her body so there's no reason why Steve couldn't have used it somewhere else and then brought it back to burn unless they actually have a person who she personally spoke to afterwards

[user104658]

It's pretty obvious that the documentary itself is one-sided and plays certain things up / down from drama and entertainment...

...That said, there's quite a bit of irony in seeing someone complaining about how one-sided and biased the documentary is, and then proceed to be completely biased in the opposite direction . I'd like to see someone go through it all with genuine impartiality and counter each point. Having skimmed a few of those transcripts... there's an awful lot of conjecture and guesswork going on in the rebuttals?

[MTVN]

^ Agree. Just looking at the first one:

In yet another example of Making a Murderer minimizing or ignoring anything that would make Avery or his family look at all unsympathetic, the series does not explain that Avery’s brothers, Charles and Earl, were also well known to law enforcement, which would have had reason not to trust them.

Three years after Steven was convicted of the rape, Charles was charged with sexual assault but acquitted. In 1999, his former wife accused him of sexually assaulting her and wrapping a telephone cord around his neck. A deferred prosecution agreement saved him from serving prison time.

In 1992, Earl pleaded no contest to battery and fourth degree sexual assault after attacking his wife.

Do these sound like entirely credible witnesses? Or would it have been logical for investigators to believe that they were lying to protect their brother?

Even if that wasn't all conjecture, the writer seems to be using Charles and Earl's charges as a justification for authorities not believing them despite those incidents taking place years after Steven's trial and conviction