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joeysteele · 19-04-2015, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I tried to explain that the current party in government always shows a lower poll rating. But the simple fact is that generally recovers when it comes to polling day and people put their ticks in the box.

Joey, fair play, you are an enthusiastic labour supporter, and believe the data you are reading and think that favours a labour victory. I don't just look at the data, I view from the experience of witnessing more general elections than I care to remember. My belief is that the tories will scrape it with a minority.

There is no point in getting angry or upset about it, don't take it personally, we all have our own opinions, lets just wait and see who is closest to correct when the voting closes ... it won't be long now

I don't think I am saying there will be a Labour victory,I do see the likelihood of a minority Labour govt,supported as a govt; by the SNP, Plaid Cymru,The Greens and the SDLP from Northern Ireland.

All those parties have declared their intention to keep the Conservatives out.
There was no swing back to the govt; in 2010 to Labour, there was also a swing away from the Labour govt; in 2005 too to the opposition,also certainly no swing back at all to John Major's govt; in 1997.

The Conservatives were expected to win in Feb 1974 but there was no swing to them there, it went to the Labour opposition and even further back to 1970, the surprise of the decade was a major swing against the Labour govt; resulting in a Conservative victory.

Fine, you ignore all the polling but you cannot say there even looks like a swing looming to the present govt;
You also have nothing to back up your points that Labour are down on where they were in 2010 and the Conservatives not.

I am not getting angry at all, I was just pointing out all the data there is as to past elections and what is being said as to this one.
You are the one with little 'facts',not me and as I have listed above, there is not always a swing back to the govt; really.

As you say let's wait and see but I am pretty sure on the day, the Conservatives will have les seats and votes than they did in 2010 and Labour will have more seats and votes than they did in 2010.
However if you challenge others facts,you do need to have substance behind your challenge to be fair and with respect.

arista · 19-04-2015, 01:44 PM

kirklancaster · 19-04-2015, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

But do you think she wants a relationship with him with 'no strings attached'?

Kizzy · 19-04-2015, 01:57 PM

' Ed Miliband has always made a virtue of standing up to newspapers and their owners, such as Rupert Murdoch over phone hacking, and the Mail on Sunday over its attack on his father. It appears to have come at a cost, with knives out for him in most of the printed press. This is a sign that the Labour leader is uncowed by newspaper attacks and prepared to move against too much media ownership being in one person or company’s hands (read: Murdoch’s Sun, Times and Sky stable)'

I find it heartening that Ed is still ahead in the polls despite the media offensive against him

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...sto-key-points

Kizzy · 19-04-2015, 02:21 PM

More from Frances Perraudin who is reporting from Portsmouth where Nick Clegg has been speaking today. Clegg has said the Lib Dems would consider forming a government with the second largest party as long as the first had been given enough chance to form a government.

Cleggy assuring the tories he's still a willing bedfellow?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...nce-referendum

Kizzy · 19-04-2015, 03:27 PM

Ed Miliband will reinstate the 50p rate of tax within weeks and grab more powers for Downing Street if he becomes prime minister, The Times has learnt.

The measures are among a list of draft bills already handed to Sir Jeremy Heywood, the cabinet secretary, as Labour makes plans for a new administration.

Mr Miliband wants strengthen the Downing Street machine as he seeks to assert his authority over Whitehall and the Treasury in particular, according to Lord Falconer of Thoroton, his adviser on a transition to government.

As the Labour leader tries to shed his reputation for indecision, he would make more political appointments to the civil service and reinstate a “delivery unit” reporting directly to him at No 10.

[...]

Lord Falconer revealed yesterday that draft legislation for about five priority bills had been prepared.

These include abolishing the rule that penalises council tenants who have a spare bedroom, repealing the Health and Social Care Bill, which introduced sweeping NHS reforms, setting in train a house-building programme and devolving power to the cities and regions.

An emergency budget, held within weeks of the government being formed, would set a new 50p top rate of tax and abolish the “non-dom” tax status as well as putting “fiscal responsibility” into law. The freeze on energy prices, expansion of apprenticeships and ban on zero-hours contracts would also be introduced early on.

Lord Falconer, anticipating claims that Labour was being presumptuous, said voters had a right to know that a Miliband government would seek to act quickly and not engage in “languorous discussions”. He added: “You need a few clear priorities so that the civil service knows what you want to do.”

Mr Miliband would revive the No 10 “delivery unit” — a progress-chasing body that reports to the prime minister — as well as strengthen the Downing Street policy unit, the peer said.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...nce-referendum

arista · 19-04-2015, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

' Ed Miliband has always made a virtue of standing up to newspapers and their owners, such as Rupert Murdoch over phone hacking, and the Mail on Sunday over its attack on his father. It appears to have come at a cost, with knives out for him in most of the printed press. This is a sign that the Labour leader is uncowed by newspaper attacks and prepared to move against too much media ownership being in one person or company’s hands (read: Murdoch’s Sun, Times and Sky stable)'

I find it heartening that Ed is still ahead in the polls despite the media offensive against him

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...sto-key-points

Stop making Up Bollocks

One Poll has him

Other Poll has PM

Poll of Polls

BOTH at 34%

You only give one sided views
pathetic

Kizzy · 19-04-2015, 04:18 PM

Calm down! The poll I saw had him ahead, no need to be so rude.

arista · 19-04-2015, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Calm down! The poll I saw had him ahead, no need to be so rude.

Sure
But there is more than one poll.

You need the Polls of Polls

If only you took off that Red display
you have

MTVN · 19-04-2015, 04:38 PM

The polls have all been stuck at about 34% for weeks, hard to see them changing unfortunately. I can't really see anything more the Tories can do to boost their rating

bots · 19-04-2015, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

The polls have all been stuck at about 34% for weeks, hard to see them changing unfortunately. I can't really see anything more the Tories can do to boost their rating

they could confine IDS to the tower of London and throw away the key, that would knock it up a few % points

joeysteele · 19-04-2015, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Calm down! The poll I saw had him ahead, no need to be so rude.

The yougov poll had labour ahead a poll for the Observer had the Conservatives ahead.

The polls are still saying the same really,the poll of polls at least takes into account all the polling and thereby counteracts probably the error margins either way.

For instance on here last week an ICM poll came out saying the Conservatives were on 39% and Labour 33%,that one was splashed up in all its glory as if it was gospel, while 2 other polls the same day, saying things were neck and neck in one and Labour ahead in one,were completely ignored.

I agree with MTVN, it seems little, if any, change is likely before polling day now.

Crimson Dynamo · 19-04-2015, 07:45 PM

i love the fact no matter who you vote for

you hate IDS

Vicky. · 19-04-2015, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i love the fact no matter who you vote for

you hate IDS

Yes, at the very least, I expect this whole site to be united in this thought.

If anyone disagrees and likes the daft twunt, then I judge you very harshly

Kizzy · 19-04-2015, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes, at the very least, I expect this whole site to be united in this thought.

If anyone disagrees and likes the daft twunt, then I judge you very harshly

Ban them vicky

And anyone who likes Jacob Reece Mogg too :shudder: