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Crimson Dynamo · 26-10-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Darenn

No, but reading out anti-gay passages and handing out anti-gay leaflets at a gay pride event is like me bursting into your church to criticize Jesus and the bible.

not necessarily as that would be in the building but outside the church gates would be an example and I would be fairly certain that the person would not be abused.

Niamh. · 26-10-2009, 08:08 AM

Leather Trumpet, are you for real or do you write all these threads just to annoy people?

Crimson Dynamo · 26-10-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Leather Trumpet, are you for real or do you write all these threads just to annoy people?

what, threads in a debating forum?

different views from your own?

nooooooooooo

Niamh. · 26-10-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what, threads in a debating forum?

different views from your own?

nooooooooooo

LOL, I was being serious actually, just curious is all!! Fair enough.

Crimson Dynamo · 26-10-2009, 09:34 AM

no problemo

Crimson Dynamo · 29-10-2009, 08:41 AM

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/c4-...etter-a-crime/

Outrageous.

Stu · 29-10-2009, 09:02 AM

She got exactly what she deserved. You don't go to a klan meeting dressed as Boy George. I agree with her right to free speech, but I also agree with what everyone else is saying here. Free speech works both ways. She was a ****ing moron, and thus she got treated like a ****ing moron.

I am sure if gay people want to be 'saved' they will find Jesus [because apparently, his lost]. They don't need a preaching to on a day that should be filled with joy and pride for them.

Dr.Gonzo · 29-10-2009, 09:53 AM

As soon as I saw this thread title, I knew I'd find lots of LeatherTrumpet goodness within.

Sticks · 29-10-2009, 10:46 AM

In my experience street preaching does not work, when we have done outreach we just had a stall so people could come and read material or chat with people. If someone asks about homosexuality we might just show them in the Bible, both Old and more importantly the New Testament why it declares it to be a sin.

However even such a low key explanation could be declared a "hate crime" by some who are militant about gay rights.

This is the problem we face, and ironically it is the so called liberal intelligencia that shows the most intollerance of alternative view points. We already have had one preacher arrested just for reciting certain Bible passages in the street, just because they were those passages declaring homosexual behaviour as sin. If I add to the mix, the story of a headmistriss some years ago to show how some in the Gay Rights movment went to extremism.

This was a London head teacher who was a lesbian. At that time there was an initiative to bring Shakespere to school children by a professional theatre production. The scheme was they helped the children put on their own play and then they got free tickets to see a professional show of the same play.

The play selected was Romeo and Juliet and so this headteach banned her children from taking part because the play was too hetrosexist and did not present a good protrayal of homosexual love.

That was tolerance was it not?

The headteacher at the time was widley condemned in the press and parliament. Nowadays, I would expect no editor would dare criticise her for fear of the midnight knock on the door, and being carted off to chokey for being seen as homophobic for criticising a fine upstanding woman for trying to show such tolernace and protecting her children from a DWEM*

DWEM = Dead White European Male. In the US their works were banned from being studied and the reason cited was the injustice of the slave trade???

Niamh. · 29-10-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sticks

In my experience street preaching does not work, when we have done outreach we just had a stall so people could come and read material or chat with people. If someone asks about homosexuality we might just show them in the Bible, both Old and more importantly the New Testament why it declares it to be a sin.

However even such a low key explanation could be declared a "hate crime" by some who are militant about gay rights.

This is the problem we face, and ironically it is the so called liberal intelligencia that shows the most intollerance of alternative view points. We already have had one preacher arrested just for reciting certain Bible passages in the street, just because they were those passages declaring homosexual behaviour as sin. If I add to the mix, the story of a headmistriss some years ago to show how some in the Gay Rights movment went to extremism.

This was a London head teacher who was a lesbian. At that time there was an initiative to bring Shakespere to school children by a professional theatre production. The scheme was they helped the children put on their own play and then they got free tickets to see a professional show of the same play.

The play selected was Romeo and Juliet and so this headteach banned her children from taking part because the play was too hetrosexist and did not present a good protrayal of homosexual love.

That was tolerance was it not?

The headteacher at the time was widley condemned in the press and parliament. Nowadays, I would expect no editor would dare criticise her for fear of the midnight knock on the door, and being carted off to chokey for being seen as homophobic for criticising a fine upstanding woman for trying to show such tolernace and protecting her children from a DWEM*

DWEM = Dead White European Male. In the US their works were banned from being studied and the reason cited was the injustice of the slave trade???

Sticks, If people want to believe and follow the bible I have no problem with that, that is their choice. It only becomes a problem for me when it's shoved in peoples faces who don't want it there!

Crimson Dynamo · 29-10-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Sticks, If people want to believe and follow the bible I have no problem with that, that is their choice. It only becomes a problem for me when it's shoved in peoples faces who don't want it there!

like a gay pride parade do you mean?

Niamh. · 29-10-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

like a gay pride parade do you mean?

How is that shoving it in peoples faces? It is for Gay people!

Crimson Dynamo · 29-10-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

How is that shoving it in peoples faces? It is for Gay people!

Oh perhaps I was thinking of the big floats full of sexually provocatively dressed men hooting horns and pumping music coming down main roads then?

They must just go down the gay roads?

Sticks · 29-10-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Sticks, If people want to believe and follow the bible I have no problem with that, that is their choice. It only becomes a problem for me when it's shoved in peoples faces who don't want it there!

Some of us have learned that that technique is not that effective anyway. I prefer soft sell over hard sell.

Niamh. · 29-10-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sticks

Some of us have learned that that technique is not that effective anyway. I prefer soft sell over hard sell.

Well I respect you for that Sticks.

Dr.Gonzo · 29-10-2009, 11:42 AM

One-way street?

Crimson Dynamo · 29-10-2009, 01:40 PM

But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. ... If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

Matthew 5:44,46-47

Niamh. · 29-10-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. ... If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

Matthew 5:44,46-47

Love your enemies?? That old lady wasn't showing much love!!

Crimson Dynamo · 29-10-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Love your enemies?? That old lady wasn't showing much love!!

and if you read the article not a lot was shown back to her and for me that is worse.

Prole · 29-10-2009, 01:59 PM

Bigoted dinosaurs like this old woman will be extinct in a couple of generations, hopefully. She was there deliberately to provoke a reaction, and when she got a reaction she decided she didn’t like it.