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Old 31-10-2009, 02:17 PM #1
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I think the least people can do is show respect though by celebrating a CHRISTIAN holiday.
I contend that it isn't because I can see no scriptural justification for it
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I might go, its tradition, though I missed going last year
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I wont be going. And for the record I celebrate and love Christmas and im not religious. TV, relatives, money, TV, drunk people, TV, parties. It kicks ass. I hate when people say not to celebrate Xmas if your not religious. Screw that. If I don't believe in it in the FIRST place whats the big deal? I can celebrate any day I want. Xmas is a fun time.

Just spreading the xmas love here. It's November tomorrow, and that's a good enough time for me to play xmas songs.
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no, i dont think so!? :/
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Omg!
November tomarrow ALREADY!

Not long now to Christmas, 2009 Flew by!

Hope all the Christmas songs start soon!
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Ew. Church makes me think of dead people. I wanna be happy Christmas day so I won't go to church.
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Jesus would want us to get drunk.

Well if the scriptures are to be believed, he did like a party. He's supposed to have changed water to wine after all.
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Well if the scriptures are to be believed, he did like a party. He's supposed to have changed water to wine after all.
Exactly, he would not want us whining about his birth. He'd be like, fack this, let's get this water into wine!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well if the scriptures are to be believed, he did like a party. He's supposed to have changed water to wine after all.
But the Greek word used in John 2, oinos can also mean unfermented grape juice, which was still a perfectly acceptable drink. To hold that Jesus turned the water into alcoholic wine is blasphemy as it implies he endorsed the sin condemned in the Bible as drunkenness, when the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus was without sin.

So I was told by an evangelist some years ago
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But the Greek word used in John 2, oinos can also mean unfermented grape juice, which was still a perfectly acceptable drink. To hold that Jesus turned the water into alcoholic wine is blasphemy as it implies he endorsed the sin condemned in the Bible as drunkenness, when the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus was without sin.

So I was told by an evangelist some years ago

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But the Greek word used in John 2, oinos can also mean unfermented grape juice, which was still a perfectly acceptable drink. To hold that Jesus turned the water into alcoholic wine is blasphemy as it implies he endorsed the sin condemned in the Bible as drunkenness, when the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus was without sin.

So I was told by an evangelist some years ago
Like most of the bible, this is open to interpretation, translation and suffers from generations of being passed on by word-of-mouth. Similarly the phrase that killed so many women "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" is in some places believed to have been a mistranslation of "thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live".

I'm a little confused about your line about wine being blasphemy, and endorsing the sin of drunkenness. Doesn't the Eucharist involve taking wine, believing that is the blood of Christ? Does that mean that most Christian churches that involve wine in their Eucharist are actually blasphemers?

Whatever Jesus is supposed to have turned water into, I think it's clear he did it to try to make people happy, whereas many Christian churches I believe try their best to make people believe that anything that is pleasurable or joyful is a sin.

A question, because I'm interested... you say that the church believes that Jesus was without sin. But whoever his father was, he was born of a mortal woman, so surely Christians would believe that original sin counts?
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I'm a little confused about your line about wine being blasphemy, and endorsing the sin of drunkenness. Doesn't the Eucharist involve taking wine, believing that is the blood of Christ? Does that mean that most Christian churches that involve wine in their Eucharist are actually blasphemers?
As we get phrases, "Fruit of the Vine" some churches, including mine use Red Grape Juice for the Lord's Supper.

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A question, because I'm interested... you say that the church believes that Jesus was without sin. But whoever his father was, he was born of a mortal woman, so surely Christians would believe that original sin counts?
Original Sin is a false doctrine not taught in the Bible. In fact Ezekiel 18 condemns this doctrine. Babies do not inherit the sin of Adam
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Sin is really the lack of something rather than being something in itself.
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Sin is really the lack of something rather than being something in itself.
So it stupidity.
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So it stupidity.
how so?
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The word used for sin in the Greek means missing the mark, as in archery.

There are certain standards we have to meet, and by doing things or not doing things we fail to meet those standards and miss the mark.
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Will the folks who do not go to church be sending Christmas cards?
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Will the folks who do not go to church be sending Christmas cards?
With the postal dispute I doubt anyone will be sending any cards
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