[lily.]

Originally Posted by Tom

Not meant in a judgemental way, perhaps some people on here already do.

Would you do it if you HAD to, even with the stigma attached to it?

What stigma?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by lili

What stigma?

Are you actually that oblivious?

Oh and for the record I never said there was anything wrong with it, just based on what other people think about it.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Tom

Are you actually that oblivious?

Oh and for the record I never said there was anything wrong with it, just based on what other people think about it.

No, I'm not oblivious. I was brought up in a council estate and I currently live in a council estate, so how would I know what the people from the "better" estates say about us.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by lili

No, I'm not oblivious. I live in a council estate, so how would I know what the people from the "better" estates say about us.

Through the media and what other people who don't live on one say?

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Tom

Are you actually that oblivious?

Oh and for the record I never said there was anything wrong with it, just based on what other people think about it.

I think it is a good question to start off a debate Tom but some people get all defensive and argumentitive over the subject.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by thebeast

I think it is a good question to start off a debate Tom but some people get all defensive and argumentitive over the subject.

Some people? Why don't you just say what's on your mind? You think I'm being defensive and argumentative.

Ok, lets make a thread about black people and how there's a stigma that they are all thieving criminal bastards.

Then see who gets defensive.

You're *****ing offensive love.

[Nicky.]

You'd have to :\
Other people around you in the street will understand your problems, because they'll be in the same situation.
Also, council houses are stereotyped as horrible, messy houses.. but that's because of the people who live in them usually, and it's those people who end up in that situation...

No offence to anyone aha!

[Shaun]

I wouldn't like to, but if I had to, yes. What else would I do? Go homeless?

I have family who live in it, and I'm not ashamed of them. **** the stigma.

[lily.]

I live in a council house... and I personally think you are a snobby bastard for having the views you do Tom.





Oh yeah,, and no offense..

[InOne]

I'm a working class hero!

[lily.]

Originally Posted by InOne

I'm a working class hero!

I never made it as a working class hero.......

[Beastie]

I would as a last resort but it is not something to take advantage off. A problem in the UK is that we do have lazy chuffers who would rather sit in their council house and smoke weed all day...

[Beastie]

I would say I am working class at the moment.

[Patrick]

FA wrong with it

[Billy]

I do.
My mum's a single mum who cannot work due to illness and is on benefits, and we live in a council house.
But we're not chavs.

[InOne]

There has been a class shift though, the working class of the 70's does not exist.

[Lewis.]

yeah.. The governement seem to give more advantages to people on benefits anyway. A Lady in my street has never payed rent, lives on benefits, gets nice new doors and new windows.. a nice new kitchen, has never worked a day in her life
My mum has worked all of her life and we don't get new kitchens and doors etc. I live in a council house but we rent it with our own money, it's under the same council company aswell, it all seems a bit unfair really. I mean, fair enough if you are unable to work because of illness, but the woman spends every day on her ass watching daytime TV and is quite capable of working. I mean, I'm 14 and I have a 16 hour a week job.. 30 hours in holiday weeks... Surely a healthy 27 year old girl can get a job somewhere

[lily.]

The whole question just reeks of snobbery. It's essentially saying that it would be the worst thing in the world to claim benefits and live in council housing.

I don't claim benefits, but I live in council housing. Not because I have to, but because I'm working class. Worked since I was 16 til I had my kids. My husband works and he earns a **** wage, as we live in an area which is renowned for **** wages (just ask Billy).

We don't have the opportunities some of you have. We weren't all born with a silver effing spoon in our mouth. Sorry for being irate, but this kind of thing irks the ***** out of me.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by lili

The whole question just reeks of snobbery. It's essentially saying that it would be the worst thing in the world to claim benefits and live in council housing.

I don't claim benefits, but I live in council housing. Not because I have to, but because I'm working class. Worked since I was 16 til I had my kids. My husband works and he earns a **** wage, as we live in an area which is renowned for **** wages (just ask Billy).

We don't have the opportunities some of you have. We weren't all born with a silver effing spoon in our mouth. Sorry for being irate, but this kind of thing irks the ***** out of me.

It is not snobbery at all but there are SOME capable people in the UK who take advantage and sponge off the system. Fair enough to the people who have genuine illness or can't find a job after hunting everyday for one.

[Lewis.]

Originally Posted by thebeast

It is not snobbery at all but there are SOME capable people in the UK who take advantage and sponge off the system. Fair enough to the people who have genuine illness or can't find a job after hunting everyday for one.

I agree. There are genuinely people who need the system to live their lives adequately, but there are some who take advantage of it

[Billy]

Originally Posted by LewisLeona

I agree. There are genuinely people who need the system to live their lives adequately, but there are some who take advantage of it

The question is still snobby though, cos it's insinuating that living in a council house etc is the lowest of the low.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Billy

The question is still snobby though, cos it's insinuating that living in a council house etc is the lowest of the low.

It is not we are just openly talking about it. I don't think of any less of someone who lives in a council house over someone who lives in a mansion.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Billy

The question is still snobby though, cos it's insinuating that living in a council house etc is the lowest of the low.

Yup. And, note that people who don't live in council housing don't seem to see that they are coming across as judgemental.

I don't go around making assumptions about people who live in private estates... and I'd ask you not to make assumptions about us, but frankly, I don't give a flying ***** what you think now.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by lili

The whole question just reeks of snobbery. It's essentially saying that it would be the worst thing in the world to claim benefits and live in council housing.

I don't claim benefits, but I live in council housing. Not because I have to, but because I'm working class. Worked since I was 16 til I had my kids. My husband works and he earns a **** wage, as we live in an area which is renowned for **** wages (just ask Billy).

We don't have the opportunities some of you have. We weren't all born with a silver effing spoon in our mouth. Sorry for being irate, but this kind of thing irks the ***** out of me.

what she said.

[lily.]

You don't think it's snobbery to talk about council housing like it's some kind of hellhole?