[Tom]

Originally Posted by Enid

Well I dunno about you, but I can tell the difference between a cookie-cutter singer and an artist. They all have that generic sound.

N Dubz and Lady Gaga both write their own material, anyone would think they're as manufactured as the next one to fall off the conveyor belt.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Enid

This was because he was a great performer and shaped rock and roll.

But he was still manufactured.

Oh and where do you draw the line between manufactured acts and covering songs? E.g. Whitney Houston- I Will Always Love You and Mariah Carey- Can't Live, two of the most well known songs ever by artists who write their own songs ... both covers. Much in the way that Snow Patrol was covered by Leona, but only the latter is compared to the original?

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Tom

But he was still manufactured.

I ain't denying that. I had more recent music in mind.

He is considered one of the best musicians though for those reasons.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Enid

I ain't denying that. I had more recent music in mind.

He is considered one of the best musicians though for those reasons.

But a lot of 'real' artists also sound manufactured, so where do you draw the line and whats the difference?

[Enid]

Originally Posted by Tom

N Dubz and Lady Gaga both write their own material, anyone would think they're as manufactured as the next one to fall off the conveyor belt.

I dunno about that. A lot of hip hop artists write their own material anyway. No surprise there.

Lady Gaga IS manufactured though, no matter how kooky she is.

[Enid]

I don't think there is a definitive line between what is manufactured and what is not. It's a tricky subject. Anyone that asks you "what is the definition of manufactured music" would need to think long and hard about the answer.

I listen to manufactured artists and music all the time. I don't particularly care that they are. I just have huge respect for those that put more effort and passion into it.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Tom

Elvis. Not only a manufactured artist, but regarded as one of the best artists ever. Yet he never wrote his own stuff and was as manufactured as Girls Aloud

How many people who slam manufactured artists who put Elvis under this label? He doesn't even count because his stage presence and way of performer defined him not his music.

[lily.]

I like bands who've worked their way to where they are... can write their own material.. can play instruments.. have done their time in the small-club circuit and independant record labels.. I have a lot of respect for them.

I also like listening to music from some manufactured artists. Liking their music and respecting them as artists don't go hand in hand.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Tom

N Dubz and Lady Gaga both write their own material, anyone would think they're as manufactured as the next one to fall off the conveyor belt.

not really. Even haters know GaGa is very talented and totally in control of her music. and a lot of people know that she made it by performing in clubs and auditioning for labels.

[Princess]

People forget that manufactured bands can also be very talented. Take That were a manufactured band,Kelly Clarkson came outta American Idol.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Enid

I dunno about that. A lot of hip hop artists write their own material anyway. No surprise there.

Lady Gaga IS manufactured though, no matter how kooky she is.

not even slightly :/ everything her releases she has total control over, she comes up with the concepts for her videos, writes her own music, produces it, controls her image, got to the top from starting in New York clubs, ect. she isn't manufactured in the slightest.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Princess

People forget that manufactured bands can also be very talented. Take That were a manufactured band,Kelly Clarkson came outta American Idol.

yeah but they only had manufactured beginnings, look at them now. and I think people as talented as TT and Kelly would have made it regardless, if they wanted it enough.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

yeah but they only had manufactured beginnings, look at them now. and I think people as talented as TT and Kelly would have made it regardless, if they wanted it enough.

What about Cheryl Cole? She is manufactured but has more control than people give her credit for always puts on a pretty good performance. Do her performance skills put her above other manufactured acts?

[Enid]

Cheryl Cole does not have any REAL control. She is simply the "middle man". She is told what to wear and what to say. She may come across as an independent and powerful woman but that is her IMAGE.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Enid

Cheryl Cole does not have any REAL control. She is simply the "middle man". She is told what to wear and what to say. She may come across as an independent and powerful woman but that is her IMAGE.

Unlike people like Britney Spears who are pretty similar (manufactured, good performers but ultimately crap singers) Cheryl has had quite a lot of input into most of her songs. Plus she has roots in ballroom so she knows how to perform. Its not just a case of being told to do that, she puts herself there.

[Marc]

Oh great another thread where people will argue about music. Just what we need. Lets all mourn Brittany.

[Princess]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

yeah but they only had manufactured beginnings, look at them now. and I think people as talented as TT and Kelly would have made it regardless, if they wanted it enough.

Yeah but if they had never been manufactured,TT wouldn't even know each other,or Robbie for that matter.

[Sophii3x]

Originally Posted by lili

I like bands who've worked their way to where they are... can write their own material.. can play instruments.. have done their time in the small-club circuit and independant record labels.. I have a lot of respect for them.

I also like listening to music from some manufactured artists. Liking their music and respecting them as artists don't go hand in hand.

This.

[lily.]

Go to the Brittany thread then.. we can pass the time guessing who's next while we mourn.

[MrGaryy]

i actually rofled at the mention of Cheryl Cole's 'control'.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

i actually rofled at the mention of Cheryl Cole's 'control'.

She has more than you realise

And I could laugh at you for thinking Lady Gaga isn't manufactured

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Tom

She has more than you realise

And I could laugh at you for thinking Lady Gaga isn't manufactured

no honey I can assure you, she does not. and I could laugh at the fact you know **** all about Lady GaGa or her back story.

[Tom]

Lady Gaga is just a gimmick. Remove all of her gimmicks, sorry quirkiness, and what are you left with? Europop. She might write her own stuff but she has a powerful team behind her.

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Tom

Lady Gaga is just a gimmick. Remove all of her gimmicks, sorry quirkiness, and what are you left with? Europop. She might write her own stuff but she has a powerful team behind her.

and what the **** does what her music sounds like and her PR team have to do with the fact that she isn't even slightly manufactured. SHe got to the top through hardwork. I'm not calling her revolutionary or even slightly original but the fact is, she's a creation of her own imagination and determination.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

and what the **** does what her music sounds like and her PR team have to do with the fact that she isn't even slightly manufactured. SHe got to the top through hardwork. I'm not calling her revolutionary or even slightly original but the fact is, she's a creation of her own imagination and determination.

Her success is more to do with her PR team than her though, I mean she isn't remotely special and her 'uniqueness' is a gimmick there to make her stand out. If the Lady Gaga we know today was genuinely the same one as a year ago (ie not pushed by a PR team and all on her own merit) then why didn't she jump into her 'quirkiness' from day 1, and why have we been gradually introduced and told how quirky she is?

Look back at her Just Dance video, she seems practically normal.