[Shasown]

Originally Posted by rapunza1977

but it was reported in the mirror back in 2007 - so - he is with his fiance
they get into a fight - its reported in papers and the guy that atacks him, who allegedly knows his girl, will put two and two together...maybe i am being a tad slow

Nope agree with you there, however was he moved? Was the other guy warned off? What was the time difference between the incident occuring and it being reported in the press?

[*mazedsalv**]

There a few rumours that have hit, one of which is that he was trying to contact and approach The Bulger family and James' mother, not sure why. I doubt it was to apologise.

****ing vile scumbag! He should be doing life, how an 11 year could do this, he must be worse and more sick and twisted now, an 11 yera old doing that to a 2 year old, who knows what they are capable of now.

But must be very bad Ive heard.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by rapunza1977

..........oh my goodness.....what do we think happened? How serious could it be?

Are you for real?

[MarkWaldorf]

James' mother doesn't even know what he breached, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't trying to contact her.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by MarkWaldorf

James' mother doesn't even know what he breached, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't trying to contact her.

I find it beyond belief she's not even been informed. She's lived in fear ever since their release that they will try and contact her family in revenge (or worse)

The public should be informed too. Stop protecting these scumbags. I hope he gets his due when they realise who he is in that adult jail.....

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jaye

I find it beyond belief she's not even been informed. She's lived in fear ever since their release that they will try and contact her family in revenge (or worse)

The public should be informed too. Stop protecting these scumbags. I hope he gets his due when they realise who he is in that adult jail.....

Nope if it does come out to the general prison populace just who he is he may get moved to another prison, or placed into seclusion or a protective custody, where he would be escorted at all times.

They have spent thousands on protecting his identity etc on the outside. The Prison Service would not want to look as if they let the side down. Regardless how individual officers feel about his crimes.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Nope if it does come out to the general prison populace just who he is he may get moved to another prison, or placed into seclusion or a protective custody, where he would be escorted at all times.

They have spent thousands on protecting his identity etc on the outside. The Prison Service would not want to look as if they let the side down. Regardless how individual officers feel about his crimes.

I see. On the news they said he's getting put into an adult prison for the first time but yes, he will get protection

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jaye

I see. On the news they said he's getting put into an adult prison for the first time but yes, he will get protection

First time in any sort of prison, the time they spent on remand and then during their incarceration/rehabilitation was spent in local authority secure accomodation, where they put problem children.

Prisons and young offenders institutes run on a slightly more austere and disclipined regimen

[Tom]

The irony is, the crime will be in the public domain but we don't know which one it is because of his new identity! By releasing info of the crime, they're essentially revealing who he is (people can match up the crime etc). Thats from their view anyway. I reckon he's murdered again and due to waste of tax payers money, thats why they're not saying anything.

[Kerry]

How long does he stay in now? Do we know? The rest of a life sentence?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Tom

The irony is, the crime will be in the public domain but we don't know which one it is because of his new identity! By releasing info of the crime, they're essentially revealing who he is (people can match up the crime etc). Thats from their view anyway. I reckon he's murdered again and due to waste of tax payers money, thats why they're not saying anything.

Now that would upset all those who believe in rehabilitation wouldnt it, nah I dont think it will be quite as serious as that, if it was someone in either the police or prison service would have "allowed details" to slip.

It is possible his probation officer decided he may have been about to offend in some way, he may have repeatedly expressed an intent to apologise to Jamie's mother and informed the police who have to then arrest and place him in custody subject to a parole board review.

He could be out 28 days after he was arrested if it was a minor offence like assaulting someone in a pub during an arguement or fight.

[Kerry]

28 days?!?!?!?!!!!!!!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jaye

How long does he stay in now? Do we know? The rest of a life sentence?

No a review of his breach of Licence has to occur within 28 days of him going back into custody, It will be heard by 3 members of the Parole Review Body, they will decide on the seriousness of his breech and they coud release him, with a caution about future behaviour if its a trivial matter.

They could keep him in custody then for up to 3 months when another board would sit or if he has commited a very serious breech they could remove his licence and then he goes back in and his sentence- at her majesty's pleasure goes back into the legal system where the recommendations of the Review Board would go before a High Court judge and a further sentencing as to when he would then again be eligible for parole would be confirmed.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Shasown

No a review of his breech of Licence has to occur within 28 of him going back into custody, It will be heard by 3 members of the Parole Review Body, they will decide on the seriousness of his breech and either release him, with a caution about future behaviour if its a trivial matter.

They could keep him in custody then for up to 3 months when another board would sit or if he has commited a very serious breech they could remove his licence and then he goes back in and his sentence- at her majesty's pleasure goes back into the legal system where the recommendations of the Review Board would go before a High Court judge and a further sentencing as to when he would then again be eligible for parole would be confirmed.

Wow, you know your stuff - cheers

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jaye

Wow, you know your stuff - cheers

Thanks, bear in mind though, if he had commited an offence like trying to get in touch with either the victims family or his mate Thompson, that is a serious breach of his licence, they being the main terms of it. A sentence review would only probably give him up to a year before he became eligible for parole again, in that time it would be hoped he be once again rehabilitated to the fact he wasnt allowed to contact them.

Its a bit convoluted, simply because the rights of the criminal seem to be held to be more important than the rights of the victims. He has technically been rehabilitated however something as simple as being Drunk and Disorderly or a Breech of the Peace is enough to see him back in custody till a review.

The review board would sit and examine what he has been accused of, any evidence to support the accusation and then its seriousness in context to the original offence. Their decision would then be reviewed by either a magistrate( in the event of him committing a relatively minor offence, not in connection with his licence) Or the Ministry of justice and then a High court judge if it was considered a major breach.

He then has the right of appeal because he has served his original tarriff, the 8 years if a judge were to then again issue a recommendation that increased that tarriff. In other words he can appeal through the Courts up to and including Europe against any sentence.

[Kerry]

He has more rights than poor James' family it seems

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jaye

He has more rights than poor James' family it seems

It would appear that way, bear in mind everyone has the same rights, its just most people dont commit offences and need to use them.

[rapunza1977]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Are you for real?

eh? Have I missed something?

[rapunza1977]

oh well - apparently a fight at work no....so its reported........but I read today that the chief officer said that recalls do not happen (red carded he put it) straight away - looks like it has been several brushes with that law and bad attitude so much so it was said officers frustrated..so i think after this latest hauling him in is only option - I say throw the key away - rehabilitated my erse!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Oh the wonderful bull**** world of speculation...I remember the days when news was just boring old facts yada yada yada...

[rapunza1977]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Oh the wonderful bull**** world of speculation...I remember the days when news was just boring old facts yada yada yada...

yadda yadda yaaaaaaaadda

[arista]

So the Mirror paper has the Info on
the Cokehead Violent Venables.



Also in other papers now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ace-brawl.html

[Tom]

Originally Posted by rapunza1977

oh well - apparently a fight at work no....so its reported........but I read today that the chief officer said that recalls do not happen (red carded he put it) straight away - looks like it has been several brushes with that law and bad attitude so much so it was said officers frustrated..so i think after this latest hauling him in is only option - I say throw the key away - rehabilitated my erse!

... and there goes his new identity in a puff of smoke. The chances are of a man suddenly going to prison after a fight at work in more than one place are pretty slim.

[Jack_]

What's the likelihood of us ever seeing a picture of what they look like now or in a few years down the line, or what they've done in their 'new lives' etc?

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What's the likelihood of us ever seeing a picture of what they look like now or in a few years down the line, or what they've done in their 'new lives' etc?

probs will