[Patrick]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and a quick refresher course in manners would not go amiss either.

You should just learn to mind your own, and stop trying to act like you know everything.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Patrick

1. Its obvious hardly anyone goes to church anymore, which is why you made a thread asking people.

2. Who the **** do you think you are to tell me what to do?
You dont even ****ing know me you turd, I dont belive in god as people who do are going to die and realise they wasted their lifes praising some made up character.
3. I do very well in school, better than most people in my year so dont attempt to tell me to study harder, again you dont know me at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

ironically to do what he suggests would in fact positively support life after death

so its a lol i am afraid

[Firewire]

No. Of course not.

[bronaaaa]

I'm going to France, so I'll go if mother goes hunting for a church

[Beastie]

I might go..

[Jessica.]

I went last Easter and the year before that so I may.

[*mazedsalv**]

Im going to have to, Im supposed to be Roman Catholic and none of my family have been since September (a wedding), we didnt even go to the Italian mass on Christmas. And the priest is always like "Nice for you to turn up"

I really should start going more often

[Beastie]

I will have to check out when the services are on! Usually it is Easter Sunday at 9am but I am having a party on the Saturday night! I hope there are other services at different times.. lol

[Stacey.]

yeah.
because Im on work experience, and the primary school do a little service thing... so i'll be there

[WOMBAI]

Doesn't that also mean that he predestined you not to do so - how can one apply without the other - so how can he then punish those that don't choose God, by excluding them from his everlasting love - if it is not their fault! And anyway - do parents stop loving their kids when they don't follow the path that they would choose for them? None of it makes any logical sense!

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Doesn't that also mean that he predestined you not to do so - how can one apply without the other - so how can he then punish those that don't choose God, by excluding them from his everlasting love - if it is not their fault! And anyway - do parents stop loving their kids when they don't follow the path that they would choose for them? None of it makes any logical sense!

But thats how the religion is though! If youre christian, you are supposed to believe in that. Go read about predestination, and you will see, thats the case.
Thats why there are certain things in my religion I cant quite understand, and I can only assume that maybe our interpretation is not accurate.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

But thats how the religion is though! If youre christian, you are supposed to believe in that. Go read about predestination, and you will see, thats the case.
Thats why there are certain things in my religion I cant quite understand, and I can only assume that maybe our interpretation is not accurate.

Probably one reason why I am not particularly religious - too many missing pieces!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Doesn't that also mean that he predestined you not to do so - how can one apply without the other - so how can he then punish those that don't choose God, by excluding them from his everlasting love - if it is not their fault! And anyway - do parents stop loving their kids when they don't follow the path that they would choose for them? None of it makes any logical sense!

yeah, that's right and also If you're a really good person who doesn't believe in God, how can a God who is supposed to be loving and giving punish you for not believing in him, I mean he created our minds, we cannot send a person to jail without solid proof that they commited the crime, so how can he expect us to believe in him without any proof? We have the bible where some men told us there was a God but this is second hand information, why should I believe these men I don't even know them? If God is so eager for people to believe in him why doesn't he tell people that he exists?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

yeah, that's right and also If you're a really good person who doesn't believe in God, how can a God who is supposed to be loving and giving punish you for not believing in him, I mean he created our minds, we cannot send a person to jail without solid proof that they commited the crime, so how can he expect us to believe in him without any proof? We have the bible where some men told us there was a God but this is second hand information, why should I believe these men I don't even know them? If God is so eager for people to believe in him why doesn't he tell people that he exists?

This is when they throw in the word FAITH! Apparently we are just supposed to have faith in his existence - that is what we are being tested on! Since when does not having enough faith in something/someone constitute a crime and make us not worthy to be saved! Extremely harsh - rather makes a mockery of the idea of Christianity as far as I am concerned. Illogical rubbish!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

This is when they throw in the word FAITH! Apparently we are just supposed to have faith in his existence - that is what we are being tested on! Since when does not having enough faith in something/someone constitute a crime and make us not worthy to be saved! Extremely harsh - rather makes a mockery of the idea of Christianity as far as I am concerned. Illogical rubbish!

yes, you see have having "Faith" is all well and good but it's actually the men who wrote the bible you're putting your faith in not God because they're the ones you have to believe are telling the truth about God

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

yes, you see have having "Faith" is all well and good but it's actually the men who wrote the bible you're putting your faith in not God because they're the ones you have to believe are telling the truth about God

if you are referring to the Gospels then there is no doubt in the minds of any serious historian that what is written is what happened. What you have to decide is, ok they saw this but what does it mean. There is little faith in over 5000 documents some going as far back as 120AD. There is a lot more faith involved in a whole myriad of early historical (non-religious) figures.

[LewisMarvel]

I don't want to go because i don't believe in god and jesus being god's son but my mum is dragging me to go

[Shasown]

So then what about people who lived and died before christianity was introduced to the area they live, they have been predestined to an eternity away from gods love?

What about people who adhere to a different faith, for example followers of Islam, the Jewish Faith, are they in fact worshipping false idols and as such again lining up an eternity away from god? Or do you consider they worship god just in a different way? What about Seikhs, Hindus, Buddhists etc?

If for example you think that following Christ is the only way to "salvation" who do you blame for muslims not converting to christianity? The Muslims themselves or the Christians who failed to convert them by either not being good missionaries or even not being good enough christians to set an example others would follow? In which case who would God save, the bad christians who failed to convince the muslims to convert or the muslims themselves?

Or if its a case of so long as you follow a god and adhere to some form of belief will you be saved and sit in God's presence? Does that mean that those of another religion or even those that dont follow a true established religion will also be saved?

[keithafc]

There is more chance of a spirit realm than there being a god. I think religion is the biggest made up nonsense to control the masses.

I agree with Patrick. I'd go down the spiritual route than the organised religion route. Not as in being apart of a spirtual group or anything but study the paranormal and you might get some interesting results.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by keithafc

There is more chance of a spirit realm than there being a god. I think religion is the biggest made up nonsense to control the masses.

I agree with Patrick. I'd go down the spiritual route than the organised religion route. Not as in being apart of a spirtual group or anything but study the paranormal and you might get some interesting results.

I love the "to control the masses line"

You hear it a lot from people who have never taken the time to study religion.

Can you explain what you mean. Who is controlling, what masses and what bits of say the Christian religion do you refer too?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I love the "to control the masses line"

You hear it a lot from people who have never taken the time to study religion.

Can you explain what you mean. Who is controlling, what masses and what bits of say the Christian religion do you refer too?

Ah Good to see LT SOP(Leather Trumpet Standard Operating Procedure) No 3 - when comments or questions are asked of you in a thread you find difficult or havent got a clue how to answer, ignore it. Followed by SOP No 4 try to take the thread off in a new direction on a subject by introduciong a comment plucked out of the air you are prepared to argue on.

Who was on about religion controlling the masses?

Nice tactics mate but come on answer the questions asked of you, at least have an attempt at answering some of the comments, criticisms and questions in posts 70 - 82

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Who was on about religion controlling the masses?

"There is more chance of a spirit realm than there being a god. I think religion is the biggest made up nonsense to control the masses." Post#80

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"There is more chance of a spirit realm than there being a god. I think religion is the biggest made up nonsense to control the masses." Post#80

What about the comments in the previous 10 posts, no comment or answer?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Ah Good to see LT SOP(Leather Trumpet Standard Operating Procedure) No 3 - when comments or questions are asked of you in a thread you find difficult or havent got a clue how to answer, ignore it.

which question?

if you mean your post:

"So then what about people who lived and died before christianity was introduced to the area they live, they have been predestined to an eternity away from gods love?What about people who adhere to a different faith, for example followers of Islam, the Jewish Faith, are they in fact worshipping false idols and as such again lining up an eternity away from god? Or do you consider they worship god just in a different way? What about Seikhs, Hindus, Buddhists etc?If for example you think that following Christ is the only way to "salvation" who do you blame for muslims not converting to christianity? The Muslims themselves or the Christians who failed to convert them by either not being good missionaries or even not being good enough christians to set an example others would follow? In which case who would God save, the bad christians who failed to convince the muslims to convert or the muslims themselves?Or if its a case of so long as you follow a god and adhere to some form of belief will you be saved and sit in God's presence? Does that mean that those of another religion or even those that dont follow a true established religion will also be saved? "


You did not address that screed to anyone you just spent 30 minutes googling things and then posted it, off topic completely, in the thread?


Wildcat asked about predestination and I put him in touch with that section on the carm website. If you have questions about that content then go to the website and read some more as they cover it really well.