[Sticks]

Read up on the Anthropic Cosmological Principal

This was devised by atheists

In one sense it was like one of the five proofs of God's existence by Thomas Aquinus, the Teleological argument.

Repeat, it came from the atheist camp and was described by atheists as "The worst thing to come down the pipe"

Oh the irony

When I saw in the 1980's a BBC Horizon programme about without ever mentioning a creator this it just spoke to me of God at work, especially where it dealt with the just so-ness of fundamental physical constants. I felt they should have had a theologian on the programme to mention this implication but there was none

Remember the mantra, the atheists came up with this one.

Remember what the psalmist says:

The fool [a] says in his heart, "There is no God." (Psalm 14:1 )

And years later the apostle Paul would write, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." (Romans 1:20)

To this day, it still feels odd that they never had any one from any religion discussing the implications of the Anthropic Principal, yet they had clergy on to discuss of course the Gaia Hypothesis by Lames Lovelock.

Why?

As for sciientists and faith, I have met a good scientist working in a bio-science field who is a committed Christian and at one time was a member of our congregation. He now worships in Scotland. I am friends on facebook and twitter with Dr Pamela Gay and astronomer and Christian believer.

It is possible to be a person of faith and science, as indeed I am also.

[Sticks]

An interesting article from Professor John Lennox

There's no denying that Stephen Hawking is intellectually bold as well as physically heroic. And in his latest book, the renowned physicist mounts an audacious challenge to the traditional religious belief in the divine creation of the universe.

According to Hawking, the laws of physics, not the will of God, provide the real explanation as to how life on Earth came into being. The Big Bang, he argues, was the inevitable consequence of these laws 'because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.'

Unfortunately, while Hawking's argument is being hailed as controversial and ground-breaking, it is hardly new.

For years, other scientists have made similar claims, maintaining that the awesome, sophisticated creativity of the world around us can be interpreted solely by reference to physical laws such as gravity.

It is a simplistic approach, yet in our secular age it is one that seems to have resonance with a sceptical public.

But, as both a scientist and a Christian, I would say that Hawking's claim is misguided. He asks us to choose between God and the laws of physics, as if they were necessarily in mutual conflict.

But contrary to what Hawking claims, physical laws can never provide a complete explanation of the universe. Laws themselves do not create anything, they are merely a description of what happens under certain conditions.
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[Danielle1232]

If There is a god let tomorow be amazing (: x

[InOne]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

wtf are you on about?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

wtf are you on about?

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by InOne

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death

Interesting you should say that, but isnt that exactly how society has advanced from prehistoric to modern times?

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Interesting you should say that, but isnt that exactly how society has advanced from prehistoric to modern times?

It's a quote too. Wish people would highlight that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death

but whats the point of dying if we aint gonna go somewhere?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

but whats the point of dying if we aint gonna go somewhere?

You die to be dead. Go read a book.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

Haha

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Haha

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

but if there is no god wouldnt we be able to live forever?

Originally Posted by jedward fever

well why cant we live forever if theres no god? thats what definetly makes me think there is a god.

This makes no sense, surely it's more likely we would live forever if there was a God, not if there wasnt. I really dont see your argument here

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

This makes no sense, surely it's more likely we would live forever if there was a God, not if there wasnt. I really dont see your argument here

He's a troll mate. Best to ignore it.

[InOne]

double post

[InOne]

Man created God in his image : intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent.



That one seems a bit feminist to me ^^

[AfroMullet]

The gift of Rastafari is for all man to share.

[Shasown]

Interesting he choose to use Einstein, very bright man, he denied the presence of a god that answered prayers and interfered in day to day life, he called that a personal god but didnt ever rule out a god that kicked everything off in "the beginning". Some force or being that started the big bang etc.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Interesting he choose to use Einstein, very bright man, he denied the presence of a god that answered prayers and interfered in day to day life, he called that a personal god but didnt ever rule out a god that kicked everything off in "the beginning". Some force or being that started the big bang etc.

I suppose he believed or hoped that man had evolved to a point where organized religion or fear mongering shouldn't dictate or influence our moral compass, and that it should be a natural instinct based on love and compassion rather than oppression. But yeah, he never struck me as a man who wouldn't be conscious of the fact that religion and faith were fundamental in the history and creation of mankind as we know it now.

[Beastie]

Well done Steven Hawkins!!!!!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Well done Steven Hawkins!!!!!

Nah Hawking is just mad at god for giving him muscular dystrophy and making him talk like a dalek.




Edit: As an addendum, you dont suppose Dr Who is prophetic and Hawking actually becomes Davros in the near future, creating the Daleks to destroy humanity.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Nah Hawking is just mad at god for giving him muscular dystrophy and making him talk like a dalek.

Lol!!

Anywho.. what I believe.. Science CAN be explained.. but I just think there is something bigger than "Science" that created the world first... mmmmm

[InOne]

The thing that most annoying me is that Monotheists assume that their beliefs are more rational, or seem more rational than Polytheists. You don't have great debates on the Polytheistic ones. But Monotheism has this stamp of truth that everyone has to respect for some reason.

[Shaun]

whoa wat