[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's no way to prove or disprove a higher power really, I personally like to believe in science and the POSSIBILITY of a higher power. That being said I don't agree with organised religion but I have my own beliefs.

yeah, me too

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

[InOne]

Man created God in his image : intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent.



That one seems a bit feminist to me ^^

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish

wtf are you on about?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

wtf are you on about?

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death

[AfroMullet]

The gift of Rastafari is for all man to share.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by InOne

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death

Interesting you should say that, but isnt that exactly how society has advanced from prehistoric to modern times?

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Interesting you should say that, but isnt that exactly how society has advanced from prehistoric to modern times?

It's a quote too. Wish people would highlight that.

[Shasown]

Interesting he choose to use Einstein, very bright man, he denied the presence of a god that answered prayers and interfered in day to day life, he called that a personal god but didnt ever rule out a god that kicked everything off in "the beginning". Some force or being that started the big bang etc.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Interesting he choose to use Einstein, very bright man, he denied the presence of a god that answered prayers and interfered in day to day life, he called that a personal god but didnt ever rule out a god that kicked everything off in "the beginning". Some force or being that started the big bang etc.

I suppose he believed or hoped that man had evolved to a point where organized religion or fear mongering shouldn't dictate or influence our moral compass, and that it should be a natural instinct based on love and compassion rather than oppression. But yeah, he never struck me as a man who wouldn't be conscious of the fact that religion and faith were fundamental in the history and creation of mankind as we know it now.

[Beastie]

Well done Steven Hawkins!!!!!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Well done Steven Hawkins!!!!!

Nah Hawking is just mad at god for giving him muscular dystrophy and making him talk like a dalek.




Edit: As an addendum, you dont suppose Dr Who is prophetic and Hawking actually becomes Davros in the near future, creating the Daleks to destroy humanity.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Nah Hawking is just mad at god for giving him muscular dystrophy and making him talk like a dalek.

Lol!!

Anywho.. what I believe.. Science CAN be explained.. but I just think there is something bigger than "Science" that created the world first... mmmmm

[InOne]

The thing that most annoying me is that Monotheists assume that their beliefs are more rational, or seem more rational than Polytheists. You don't have great debates on the Polytheistic ones. But Monotheism has this stamp of truth that everyone has to respect for some reason.

[Shaun]

whoa wat

[M X]

I cba to read everything, but i'm assuming he hasn't found actual proof of no god??
..i don't believe in god anyway.
i'm open minded but tbh, there is no evidence at all that suggests there could be god, just some book that somebody wrote and people believe it's true. where as, there are a few theories and evidence relating to the big bang, evolution etc.

[Omen]

Science = infinity.

Religion = infinity + 1.

[M X]

Originally Posted by Omen

Science = infinity.

Religion = infinity + 1.

[Omen]

Religion will always trump science because it is incomprehensible, and meant to be. Unlike science it can never be proven or disproven. It's an inponderable.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Omen

Religion will always trump science because it is incomprehensible, and meant to be. Unlike science it can never be proven or disproven. It's an inponderable.

Well actually, scientific facts continue to be disproven and proven all the time. I think it's arrogance on the part of humans to assume that there's no higher power out there that's beyond our comprehension right now.

[Omen]

I thought scientific facts had to be proven beyond doubt, until they are hypotheseis or in AGW, consensus.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Omen

I thought scientific facts had to be proven beyond doubt, until they are hypotheseis or in AGW, consensus.

There's always been changes in scientific truths and our understanding of them. It's part of the deal really.

[Grimnir]

God = Aliens

Bishops bash the bible

I bash the bishop

Lucifer is better than God anyway as he wants humans to have knowledge and learn and have plenty hot kinky sex

[Sticks]

Read up on the Anthropic Cosmological Principal

This was devised by atheists

In one sense it was like one of the five proofs of God's existence by Thomas Aquinus, the Teleological argument.

Repeat, it came from the atheist camp and was described by atheists as "The worst thing to come down the pipe"

Oh the irony

When I saw in the 1980's a BBC Horizon programme about without ever mentioning a creator this it just spoke to me of God at work, especially where it dealt with the just so-ness of fundamental physical constants. I felt they should have had a theologian on the programme to mention this implication but there was none

Remember the mantra, the atheists came up with this one.

Remember what the psalmist says:

The fool [a] says in his heart, "There is no God." (Psalm 14:1 )

And years later the apostle Paul would write, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." (Romans 1:20)

To this day, it still feels odd that they never had any one from any religion discussing the implications of the Anthropic Principal, yet they had clergy on to discuss of course the Gaia Hypothesis by Lames Lovelock.

Why?

As for sciientists and faith, I have met a good scientist working in a bio-science field who is a committed Christian and at one time was a member of our congregation. He now worships in Scotland. I am friends on facebook and twitter with Dr Pamela Gay and astronomer and Christian believer.

It is possible to be a person of faith and science, as indeed I am also.

[Sticks]

An interesting article from Professor John Lennox

There's no denying that Stephen Hawking is intellectually bold as well as physically heroic. And in his latest book, the renowned physicist mounts an audacious challenge to the traditional religious belief in the divine creation of the universe.

According to Hawking, the laws of physics, not the will of God, provide the real explanation as to how life on Earth came into being. The Big Bang, he argues, was the inevitable consequence of these laws 'because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.'

Unfortunately, while Hawking's argument is being hailed as controversial and ground-breaking, it is hardly new.

For years, other scientists have made similar claims, maintaining that the awesome, sophisticated creativity of the world around us can be interpreted solely by reference to physical laws such as gravity.

It is a simplistic approach, yet in our secular age it is one that seems to have resonance with a sceptical public.

But, as both a scientist and a Christian, I would say that Hawking's claim is misguided. He asks us to choose between God and the laws of physics, as if they were necessarily in mutual conflict.

But contrary to what Hawking claims, physical laws can never provide a complete explanation of the universe. Laws themselves do not create anything, they are merely a description of what happens under certain conditions.
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