[Angus]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The actual incident isn't funny, but the jokes that are made about it are. It's called dark/'sick' humour. It's the same in all cases. The Maddie McCann case was awful...but the jokes are hilarious. Same applies to the Fritzl case etc. It's got nothing to do with 'how we're wired', we just have a different sense of humour [dare I say a better one].

http://www.sickipedia.org = best jokes site in the world. Fact.

Well strangely enough I thought this was the "serious debates" forum, not the forum for inappropriate infantile jokes about child abuse. Why would you take offence at the comment that you are wired differently to find child cruelty amusing, when it is so obviously a statement of fact?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kazanne

they probably torture animals as a hobby,assholes.

So people who have a dark sense of humour now torture animals?

*****INGLOL, that is a contender for one of the most laughable things I have read anywhere ever.

Originally Posted by angus58

Well strangely enough I thought this was the "serious debates" forum, not the forum for inappropriate infantile jokes about child abuse.

Of course it is...but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to make some dark-humoured jokes.

Originally Posted by angus58

Why would you take offence at the comment that you are wired differently to find child cruelty amusing, when it is so obviously a statement of fact?

'Offence'? LOL, it didn't offend me in the slightest - because I know it's not true. So because I have a dark sense of humour, I am now wired differently? Biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard. The James Bulger story sickened me, as did the Fritzl one. Looking at the pictures of this makes me upset as well...but I can take a joke. A joke is a joke...meaning they're not serious...and are to be laughed at. It doesn't mean you're 'wired differently' at all. Utterly ridiculous statement.

[cupid stunt]

Originally Posted by Jack_

So people who have a dark sense of humour now torture animals?

*****INGLOL, that is a contender for one of the most laughable things I have read anywhere ever.





Of course it is...but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to make some dark-humoured jokes.



'Offence'? LOL, it didn't offend me in the slightest - because I know it's not true. So because I have a dark sense of humour, I am now wired differently? Biggest load of bollocks I have ever heard. The James Bulger story sickened me, as did the Fritzl one. Looking at the pictures of this makes me upset as well...but I can take a joke. A joke is a joke...meaning they're not serious...and are to be laughed at. It doesn't mean you're 'wired differently' at all. Utterly ridiculous statement.

i reckon your the type of guy who wouldnt dare make 'jokes' about sumat like this in real life
*****

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well strangely enough I thought this was the "serious debates" forum, not the forum for inappropriate infantile jokes about child abuse. Why would you take offence at the comment that you are wired differently to find child cruelty amusing, when it is so obviously a statement of fact?

So did I angus58 think this was the serious debates forum,its sad really.

[BB_Eye]

I'm a fan of Armando Iannucci and Stewart Lee so I'd like to think my sense of humour is about as black as you can get, but to me it just sounds as if you guys are trying to shock and provoke for it's own sake, which is not very good when you're so quick to label people as humourless when they don't "get it".

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by angus58

http://www.insideedition.com/news/51...s-own-mom.aspx

If you have to have a licence to drive a car, why isn't a licence to have children introduced? There are some people in this world who should NEVER have children, and this case highlights why. You only have to look around you to see the products of rubbish parenting. My heart breaks for this toddler - who knows how such trauma will affect him in the future?

I agree Angus,I saw this yesterday,it is really sad that people like this can have children,they should be steralized,they are no good to anyone and WE are supposed to be civilized,I hope this poor little lad has gone into care and will be fostered into a loving,caring home.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I agree Angus,I saw this yesterday,it is really sad that people like this can have children,they should be steralized,they are no good to anyone and WE are supposed to be civilized,I hope this poor little lad has gone into care and will be fostered into a loving,caring home.

I think your going a bit far there. Their children should be taken from them I agree but sterilisation!? This is a democracy people!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Me!

I think your going a bit far there. Their children should be taken from them I agree but sterilisation!? This is a democracy people!

I'm not bothered about them or their 'human rights' I am bothered that a child has suffered for their warped entertainment.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I'm not bothered about them or their 'human rights' I am bothered that a child has suffered for their warped entertainment.

Forced sterilisation? What a wonderful idea, Hitler would agree with you.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I'm not bothered about them or their 'human rights' I am bothered that a child has suffered for their warped entertainment.

Well thats wrong. Torturing a child/person/animal is downright evil but sterilising someone isn't exactly the nicest way to go about punishing them is it? Those are strong words..

I think the whole 'lock 'em in prison and throw away the key' is more effective and ethical.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I'm not bothered about them or their 'human rights' I am bothered that a child has suffered for their warped entertainment.

Along with every comment from angus58,this is also a to the point and very strong comment too kazanne from you.
I personally have no symapthy at all or see anything remotely humerous in inflicting suffering of any kind on a child.
It is clear and simple assault,because the child cannot yet understand what fun and hurt may be, and its abuse too.
It os from incidents like this that in the end if unchecked, far more serious things can happen, and they do despite all the reports of child protection and making sure bad things don't happen to children.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Along with every comment from angus58,this is also a to the point and very strong comment too kazanne from you.
I personally have no symapthy at all or see anything remotely humerous in inflicting suffering of any kind on a child.
It is clear and simple assault,because the child cannot yet understand what fun and hurt may be, and its abuse too.
It os from incidents like this that in the end if unchecked, far more serious things can happen, and they do despite all the reports of child protection and making sure bad things don't happen to children.

I cannot believe people try to vindicate themselves finding this funny by saying "It's the jokes about it that are funny" so what are these jokes?they must be about the boy,so isn't that the same as laughing at what happened,I wonder sometimes what some of these people are on!!! If someone is an adult and a willing participant then yes laugh and joke all you like,But kids.NO.and hello Joey,nice to see you posting again.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I agree Angus,I saw this yesterday,it is really sad that people like this can have children,they should be steralized,they are no good to anyone and WE are supposed to be civilized,I hope this poor little lad has gone into care and will be fostered into a loving,caring home.

I think what really upsets me is the knowledge that, as I type this, there are probably thousands upons thousands of children like this behind closed doors who are at the mercy of scummy useless parents, being subjected to random acts of neglect and cruelty which we never hear about.

I know that little James was a relative of yours and I can still remember how I sobbed when I heard about what had happened to him. At the time my youngest son was the same age and my heart went out to Denise Bulger.

I can laugh about a lot of things, but child cruelty and neglect? NEVER.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by angus58

I think what really upsets me is the knowledge that, as I type this, there are probably thousands upons thousands of children like this behind closed doors who are at the mercy of scummy useless parents, being subjected to random acts of neglect and cruelty which we never hear about.

I know that little James was a relative of yours and I can still remember how I sobbed when I heard about what had happened to him. At the time my youngest son was the same age and my heart went out to Denise Bulger.

I can laugh about a lot of things, but child cruelty and neglect? NEVER.

I agree,I like a laugh aswell as the next person,but really,how can anyone laugh at a kids distress like that?We were pretty lucky with James I only ever heard one joke about him,I think most sane people know that some lines are not to be crossed,i cannot believe a comedian would make jokes about Baby Peter!!! as someone said on here,I am shocked,No wonder kids are like they are today,I have seen some attrocious parenting,some of them are almost ferrel!

[Lee.]

FFS!! That's horrible! I have a 3 year old boy and cannot stand even the idea of him being scared or upset like that! It's a mothers insticnt to love and protect, not terrorise!

And for those who think it was probably just "a bit of fun", having fun with a 2 year old involves silly games, toys, books, cartoons, playparks, swimming pools etc, NOT gaffa tape!

Those first few years are childrens formatitive years for gods sake! Why would any parent want to scare and upset a child for their own amusement? It is beyond me! They don't deserve something as precious as a child!

I have friends who are currently paying Ł6k a time for IVF.. they are absolutely desperate for a child! It's so annoying that there are people out there who are lucky enought to be able to have children and do nothing but abuse/neglect the child!

[Lee.]

I have an extremely dark sense of humour and manage to see humour in most things, but also think that there are subjects and situations that it is very difficult to make a joke of.. child abuse/neglect is one of them.

I went to see Frankie Boyle recently, who I have to say was ****ing hysterical, but unfortunately he tried to make a few jokes about Baby P; you could actually feel the audience recoil! SOme things just should not be laughed at!!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by happyland

I have an extremely dark sense of humour and manage to see humour in most things, but also think that there are subjects and situations that it is very difficult to make a joke of.. child abuse/neglect is one of them.

I went to see Frankie Boyle recently, who I have to say was ****ing hysterical, but unfortunately he tried to make a few jokes about Baby P; you could actually feel the audience recoil! SOme things just should not be laughed at!!

I can and have managed to find some humour even in the direst circumstances, as a kind of anchor of sanity, but there are some things I can honestly say I could never find humour in, and the thought that someone could actually make jokes about the tragic and horrific life of Baby P is beyond disgusting. Frankie Boyle often tries too hard to shock and just comes across as desperate and insensitive.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by angus58

I can and have managed to find some humour even in the direst circumstances, as a kind of anchor of sanity, but there are some things I can honestly say I could never find humour in, and the thought that someone could actually make jokes about the tragic and horrific life of Baby P is beyond disgusting. Frankie Boyle often tries too hard to shock and just comes across as desperate and insensitive.

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought on seeing him live. He was trying to shock a bit TOO much. He can be funny without going OTT, so I don't know why he bothers. He definitely began to lose the audience afew times when I saw him..

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by happyland

I have an extremely dark sense of humour and manage to see humour in most things, but also think that there are subjects and situations that it is very difficult to make a joke of.. child abuse/neglect is one of them.

Not really. A joke is a joke. A joke. It's that simple, really. If anyone takes a joke seriously [whether it's a knock knock joke or a Fritzl joke] then there's a problem. Because a joke is not meant to be serious, and I seriously cannot stand this assumption that because I laugh or poke fun at something that is 'serious', I am condemning the act that I'm laughing at. I mean...it's...ludicrous. Similar to what kazanne said in this thread. So because I have a dark sense of humour I torture animals? One of the most laughable things I have ever heard in my life.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Not really. A joke is a joke. A joke. It's that simple, really. If anyone takes a joke seriously [whether it's a knock knock joke or a Fritzl joke] then there's a problem. Because a joke is not meant to be serious, and I seriously cannot stand this assumption that because I laugh or poke fun at something that is 'serious', I am condemning the act that I'm laughing at. I mean...it's...ludicrous. Similar to what kazanne said in this thread. So because I have a dark sense of humour I torture animals? One of the most laughable things I have ever heard in my life.

But I don't see anyone cracking one liners about this little boy taped to the wall.. I agree a joke is just a joke. But it is one thing laughing at a joke made about something serious to actually laughing a picture of a baby's distress and fear.. You know what I mean?

I mean I chuckled at a few jokes following the horrific boxing day Tsunami.. I didn't however sit and laugh my socks off at as I watched thousands of people being swept to their death.. there is a difference!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by happyland

But I don't see anyone cracking one liners about this little boy taped to the wall.. I agree a joke is just a joke. But it is one thing laughing at a joke made about something serious to actually laughing a picture of a baby's distress and fear.. You know what I mean?

I mean I chuckled at a few jokes following the horrific boxing day Tsunami.. I didn't however sit and laugh my socks off at as I watched thousands of people being swept to their death.. there is a difference!

Where has anyone in this thread or anywhere else said they were laughing at the pictures? I certainly wasn't. Never would. As I said earlier in the thread, I laugh at jokes made about the incidents, not the incidents themselves.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Where has anyone in this thread or anywhere else said they were laughing at the pictures? I certainly wasn't. Never would. As I said earlier in the thread, I laugh at jokes made about the incidents, not the incidents themselves.

YOU always have an excuse for your weird opinions,always trying to back out ,OF COURSE you find it funny,the incident happened,you "laugh at the jokes made about it" don't try and kid people you are a loving caring person,there is NOTHING funny about any aspect of a kids distress however you try to dress it up,but as long as you have a laugh it's ok isn't it?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Where has anyone in this thread or anywhere else said they were laughing at the pictures? I certainly wasn't. Never would. As I said earlier in the thread, I laugh at jokes made about the incidents, not the incidents themselves.

OK, fair enough.. I syill find it difficult to see any humour in doing this to a defenceless child. It would maybe be funny (well, to some) to see this happen on a stag do or in college or summat, but not to a little boy! He won't see the funny side of it afterwards. He'll just be confused and frightened as to why his mammy was doing this and scaring him.. Nah, not funny at all.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by happyland

But I don't see anyone cracking one liners about this little boy taped to the wall.. I agree a joke is just a joke. But it is one thing laughing at a joke made about something serious to actually laughing a picture of a baby's distress and fear.. You know what I mean?

I mean I chuckled at a few jokes following the horrific boxing day Tsunami.. I didn't however sit and laugh my socks off at as I watched thousands of people being swept to their death.. there is a difference!

Black humour is a way of dealing with things people dont want to deal directly with. A coping mechanism. Saves the person getting depressed over shocking things, also prevents more serious mental problems.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Black humour is a way of dealing with things people dont want to deal directly with. A coping mechanism. Saves the person getting depressed over shocking things, also prevents more serious mental problems.

Oh yeah, I know. I can think of a load of bad things that have happened that have induced a frenzy of sick sick jokes.. You have to klaugh though, or you would actually cry..

SOme things ARE too much though. Most involving kids. I nearly flipped when a colleague made a joke about the Dunblane shootings, Baby P.. I can't even think about let alone laugh at a joke etc etc

However, I know that everbody can laugh at different things.. but for me, some things are taken too far.