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Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no, i meant the 2 gay boys

the b and b couple are just silly but harmless

How are they trouble makers? This should be interesting...

Crimson Dynamo · 18-01-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

How are they trouble makers? This should be interesting...

going to court?

just get another b and b

couple of publicity hungry hysterical mary queens

arista · 18-01-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no, i meant the 2 gay boys

the b and b couple are just silly but harmless

The 2 Gay blokes
Set this all up.

It was no accident they picked that crap hotel
with the nutty Bible Freaks

MrWong · 19-01-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

The 2 Gay blokes
Set this all up.

It was no accident they picked that crap hotel
with the nutty Bible Freaks

Courts Judgement.. http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resource...l-judgment.pdf

14. There was a suggestion in the course of the case, and indeed in some newspaper reports prior to the case, that the defendants were "set up" by the claimants with the assistance of an organisation such as Stonewall. If this were true then while it would not of itself defeat a discrimination claim it would very materially affect the issue of damages. I can see why the defendants might have thought that this was so but I am quite satisfied on the evidence of the claimants that this is not the case and, in fairness to the Defendants, let me make it clear that their counsel, Mr James Dingemans QC, did not seek to run the case on this basis.

I'll trust the judge on this (he's seen all the evidence afterall) rather than these rumours of a 'set-up' that are being spouted.

KG. · 18-01-2011, 05:46 PM

Was it really a surprise?

I mean come on, with a name like Hazelmary I'm surprised they didn't give her life imprisonment.

Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 05:46 PM

Anyway, its a good thing it went to court.

Might show other people that religion isnt to be used as an escuse for prejudice...

Crimson Dynamo · 18-01-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Anyway, its a good thing it went to court.

Might show other people that religion isnt to be used as an escuse for prejudice...

It is total waste of court time and money, just so these 2 grown men could make a pathetic point.

It is evident that they dont have families/responsibilities to look after as they have time to do stupid things like this

Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is total waste of court time and money, just so these 2 grown men could make a pathetic point.

It is evident that they dont have families/responsibilities to look after as they have time to do stupid things like this

In what way is their point pathetic?

Angus · 18-01-2011, 06:01 PM

I don't think a B&B should be classified as if it were a hotel - it is after all a person's OWN home from which they let out rooms so surely they are entitled to decide who they have under their roof as their paying guests?

Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

I don't think a B&B should be classified as if it were a hotel - it is after all a person's OWN home from which they let out rooms so surely they are entitled to decide who they have under their roof as their paying guests?

Again, I bring the random point...

So should it also be ok for them to turn away all ethnic minorities?

Disabled people?

People with children?

Etc. etc.

Just on the basis that they do not want them there?

Stephanie · 18-01-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Again, I bring the random point...

So should it also be ok for them to turn away all ethnic minorities?

Disabled people?

People with children?

Etc. etc.

Just on the basis that they do not want them there?

some places don't allow people with children or disabled though.

MTVN · 18-01-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephanie

some places don't allow people with children or disabled though.

Yeah you'll find a fair few pubs which dont allow children in

Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephanie

some places don't allow people with children or disabled though.

Children I say is a fair point actually. As they could wreck the rooms. Disabled people...possibly they dont have the amenities that a disabled person would need...Ie starilifts or whatever.

I was just thinking of random examples

Stephanie · 18-01-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Children I say is a fair point actually. As they could wreck the rooms. Disabled people...possibly they dont have the amenities that a disabled person would need...Ie starilifts or whatever.

I was just thinking of random examples

yo need some better examples gurl

Crimson Dynamo · 18-01-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Again, I bring the random point...

So should it also be ok for them to turn away all ethnic minorities?

Disabled people?

People with children?

Etc. etc.

Just on the basis that they do not want them there?

It is ok and happens every day in the UK

"sorry we are full"

clever owners use a little tactics to deter who they do not want. just like bouncers do on doors of clubs and pubs (gay ones too)

Angus · 18-01-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Again, I bring the random point...

So should it also be ok for them to turn away all ethnic minorities?

Disabled people?

People with children?

Etc. etc.

Just on the basis that they do not want them there?

It wasn't just on the basis that they didn't want them there, it was because it was a major conflict of their christian beliefs, and I do not believe for one moment that if the B&B owners were muslims, that this gay couple would have won their case - after all Islam also does not condone homosexuality - more so even than Christianity - or are you suggesting that only Christians should have to compromise their beliefs?

As regards disabled people, people with children and ethnic minorities, there is nothing in Christianity that says any of these groups are anathema to a Christian God.

Vicky. · 18-01-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

It wasn't just on the basis that they didn't want them there, it was because it was a major conflict of their christian beliefs, and I do not believe for one moment that if the B&B owners were muslims, that this gay couple would have won their case - after all Islam also does not condone homosexuality - more so even than Christianity - or are you suggesting that only Christians should have to compromise their beliefs?

As regards disabled people, people with children and ethnic minorities, there is nothing in Christianity that says any of these groups are anathema to a Christian God.

Dress it up however you like...it was just prejudice.

You said 'I don't think a B&B should be classified as if it were a hotel - it is after all a person's OWN home from which they let out rooms so surely they are entitled to decide who they have under their roof as their paying guests?'

So under that...people would be able to turn away guests for ANY reason. So my point still stands

Angus · 18-01-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Dress it up however you like...it was just prejudice.

You said 'I don't think a B&B should be classified as if it were a hotel - it is after all a person's OWN home from which they let out rooms so surely they are entitled to decide who they have under their roof as their paying guests?'

So under that...people would be able to turn away guests for ANY reason. So my point still stands

So you are in favour of religious discrimination being subordinate to other forms of discrimination? Isn't that discrimination per se?
Clearly you believe the B&B Owners have to respect this gay couple, yet they have shown absolutely no reciprocating respect for the B&B Owners' religious beliefs?

Stephanie · 18-01-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

I don't think a B&B should be classified as if it were a hotel - it is after all a person's OWN home from which they let out rooms so surely they are entitled to decide who they have under their roof as their paying guests?

i agree with this.

_Seth · 18-01-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"You're an idiot for believing something you can't help is wrong"

I dont think it is wrong?

It is rare but not wrong.

What's rare? You being right? Yeah.

Crimson Dynamo · 18-01-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Phlip

What's rare? You being right? Yeah.

no, homosexuality is a rare occurrence in the world - the fact that many flock to entertainment industry and forums like this skews peoples perception but it is very small percentage.

_Seth · 18-01-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no, homosexuality is a rare occurrence in the world - the fact that many flock to entertainment industry and forums like this skews peoples perception but it is very small percentage.

Please just kill yourself.

cub · 18-01-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

I don't think a B&B should be classified as if it were a hotel - it is after all a person's OWN home from which they let out rooms so surely they are entitled to decide who they have under their roof as their paying guests?

If you run your home as a business, it's a business. It's their choice whether they live there or not - it makes no difference. You have to run your business within the guidelines of the law.

Do you think if they lived elsewhere they would then accept this gay couple? I think their atittude would be no different.

You can't descriminate against gay people any more than you could black people. It's as simple as that.

Angus · 18-01-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cub

If you run your home as a business, it's a business. It's their choice whether they live there or not - it makes no difference. You have to run your business within the guidelines of the law.

Do you think if they lived elsewhere they would then accept this gay couple? I think their atittude would be no different.

You can't descriminate against gay people any more than you could black people. It's as simple as that.

No, it is NOT as "simple as that" and if you don't see the difference between a strongly held religious belief and pure, out and out prejudice, then that isn't my problem.

Incidentally, I abhor all forms of discrimination, but commonsense and understanding should be applied when it comes to a case like this - after all the B&B owners could now appeal on the grounds that they are being persecuted and discriminated against for their religious beliefs.

cub · 18-01-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

No, it is NOT as "simple as that" and if you don't see the difference between a strongly held religious belief and pure, out and out prejudice, then that isn't my problem.

Incidentally, I abhor all forms of discrimination, but commonsense and understanding should be applied when it comes to a case like this - after all the B&B owners could now appeal on the grounds that they are being persecuted and discriminated against for their religious beliefs.

Good luck with that. And yes, the law is quite clear on the matter. You obviously do not believe gay people have the same rights as a straight couple or that religious belief is - somehow - above the law.

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