[James]

Originally Posted by angus58

Have to agree with all of this - she actually is a vile human being and I'm gobsmacked that, despite her overt manipulative and spiteful behaviour in the house, she has any following at all. Her jolly country yokel persona has certainly done the job for her. But it's not for nothing that she can't get a visa to visit Australia(according to John James). She probably has criminal convictions, and these days they're fussy about who they let in to their country.

Originally Posted by angus58

I got this from a post by James about an interview that John James had with an Australian newspaper.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=170215

John James says Josie doesn't have "enough points". Now I know for a fact that unless you have certain criminal convictions you will not be denied a tourist visa at least, and it does seem odd that, considering John James is supposedly head over heels in love with Josie and is very close to his mum, that he has not taken his beloved to Oz to meet his friends and family.

You only need a certain amount of "points" if you are considering working and living in Australia.

When she was in Big Brother she talked (it was on live feed) about having been offered the chance a while ago to work in Australia. That was before Big Brother. I am sure that is what he meant in that interview, he wasn't talking about a tourist visa. They're much more strict about giving visas if you are planning to stay and work. You've just made out of nowhere that she has criminal convictions that means she can't get a tourist visa.

I think most people that watched Big Brother, and from what I've read, the people that have met her since, would say she has a good-natured personality. As far a calling her - or any Big Brother housemate - a 'vile human being' I think a sense of perspective is required? Big Brother was a show in which a group of people lived in a house for three months. I'd say it is pretty difficult to do anything in that environment which is bad enough to deserve that description. It has to be said that a by-product of the format of the show was some bizarre over-the-top judgements and hatreds of certain housemates. They are having their every-move analysed be viewers and the HMs are often being criticised for what is perfectly normal, everyday behaviour.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by James

When she was in Big Brother she talked (it was on live feed) about having been offered the chance a while ago to work in Australia. That was before Big Brother. I am sure that is what he meant in that interview, he wasn't talking about a tourist visa. They're much more strict about giving visas if you are planning to stay and work. You've just made out of nowhere that she has criminal convictions that means she can't get a tourist visa.

I think most people that watched Big Brother, and from what I've read, the people that have met her since, would say she has a good-natured personality. As far a calling her - or any Big Brother housemate - a 'vile human being' I think a sense of perspective is required? Big Brother was a show in which a group of people lived in a house for three months. I'd say it is pretty difficult to do anything in that environment which is bad enough to deserve that description. It has to be said that a by-product of the format of the show was some bizarre over-the-top judgements and hatreds of certain housemates. They are having their every-move analysed be viewers and the HMs are often being criticised for what is perfectly normal, everyday behaviour.

This I agree with 100%. I won't deny that there have been HMs that I disliked over the years but the hatred some people seem to have for their chosen HMs, is, at times, ridiculous. Everything is magnified and every sentence scrutinized and I would say that most are just normal people who maybe act a bit more irritated at times which I put down to the living conditions, being in a small space for months on end, with people you barely know and/or dislike. If I was in that situation I would probably snap and I bet people would hate me

[Angus]

Originally Posted by James

When she was in Big Brother she talked (it was on live feed) about having been offered the chance a while ago to work in Australia. That was before Big Brother. I am sure that is what he meant in that interview, he wasn't talking about a tourist visa. They're much more strict about giving visas if you are planning to stay and work. You've just made out of nowhere that she has criminal convictions that means she can't get a tourist visa.

I think most people that watched Big Brother, and from what I've read, the people that have met her since, would say she has a good-natured personality. As far a calling her - or any Big Brother housemate - a 'vile human being' I think a sense of perspective is required? Big Brother was a show in which a group of people lived in a house for three months. I'd say it is pretty difficult to do anything in that environment which is bad enough to deserve that description. It has to be said that a by-product of the format of the show was some bizarre over-the-top judgements and hatreds of certain housemates. They are having their every-move analysed be viewers and the HMs are often being criticised for what is perfectly normal, everyday behaviour.

I actually said in my post that "unless you have certain criminal convictions" you will not be refused a tourist visa which I believe allows you to stay for 3 months on a visit/holiday, and I speculated why John James has not taken her back to Oz with him to introduce her to his friends and family.

I don't "hate" Josie, she's not worth my hatred. However, I thoroughly despise her and my use of the adjective "vile" by the usual definitions is, in my opinion, a perfect description for Josie (offensive to the senses or sensibilities; repulsive; disgusting; cheap; worthless;degrading; low; mean). The fact that you have an opposite opinion is of course, your prerogative.

The HMs put themselves up for public scrutiny and criticism and I would disagree that some of their behaviour was "normal and everyday" - at least not to me. I disliked Josie's manipulation of every situation, portraying herself as a victim, and guilt tripping others; I despised her spitefulness, her blatant lies, her falseness and faux humility, when she is clearly a very egotistical person. You and many others may have viewed her very differently, but I am not alone in my analysis of her character. The whole point of Big Brother is that it is essentially a popularity contest is it not? In other words the viewers are invited to "like or dislike" the HMs. However, the way the whole show was centred around the "romance" deprived other, in my opinion, more worthy HMs, of more airtime and therefore more opportunity for the viewers to get to know them.

The whole business of Josie being handed a place in the final (thereby avoiding the vote that week), and then the way the voting was changed in the final elimination was all designed to eliminate any serious competition, and put through the boring people like Dave, Andrew, JJ2 and Mario, none of whom had any chance against Endemol's chosen winner. Just look how she crumbled in the CBB house when she didn't have her lapdogs around. It made a mockery of BB11 when she so casually threw away such an opportunity - seems you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

As regards criminal convictions - I have no idea whether Josie has any, but I am entitled to speculate whether she does or not, and would not be at all surprised to learn that she has, bearing in mind she was quite happy to give her ex a battering.

I have no intention of further justifying my opinions of Josie since I, like you and every other viewer, formed those opinions through observing her behaviour. It all depends on the interpretation.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by angus58

I actually said in my post that "unless you have certain criminal convictions" you will not be refused a tourist visa which I believe allows you to stay for 3 months on a visit/holiday, and I speculated why John James has not taken her back to Oz with him to introduce her to his friends and family.

I don't "hate" Josie, she's not worth my hatred. However, I thoroughly despise her and my use of the adjective "vile" by the usual definitions is, in my opinion, a perfect description for Josie (offensive to the senses or sensibilities; repulsive; disgusting; cheap; worthless;degrading; low; mean). The fact that you have an opposite opinion is of course, your prerogative.

The HMs put themselves up for public scrutiny and criticism and I would disagree that some of their behaviour was "normal and everyday" - at least not to me. I disliked Josie's manipulation of every situation, portraying herself as a victim, and guilt tripping others; I despised her spitefulness, her blatant lies, her falseness and faux humility, when she is clearly a very egotistical person. You and many others may have viewed her very differently, but I am not alone in my analysis of her character. The whole point of Big Brother is that it is essentially a popularity contest is it not? In other words the viewers are invited to "like or dislike" the HMs. However, the way the whole show was centred around the "romance" deprived other, in my opinion, more worthy HMs, of more airtime and therefore more opportunity for the viewers to get to know them.

The whole business of Josie being handed a place in the final (thereby avoiding the vote that week), and then the way the voting was changed in the final elimination was all designed to eliminate any serious competition, and put through the boring people like Dave, Andrew, JJ2 and Mario, none of whom had any chance against Endemol's chosen winner. Just look how she crumbled in the CBB house when she didn't have her lapdogs around. It made a mockery of BB11 when she so casually threw away such an opportunity - seems you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

As regards criminal convictions - I have no idea whether Josie has any, but I am entitled to speculate whether she does or not, and would not be at all surprised to learn that she has, bearing in mind she was quite happy to give her ex a battering.

I have no intention of further justifying my opinions of Josie since I, like you and every other viewer, formed those opinions through observing her behaviour. It all depends on the interpretation.

Judgemental much?

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Judgemental much?

Oh yes ... absolutely ... if there were a bit more judging going on there would also be much less illiteracy ... don't knock it until you have tried it ...

[Angus]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Judgemental much?

Of course, just as you have judged Josie to be a nice person. Each to their own opinion or are you judging others' opinions to be less valid than your own?

[Princess]

Everyone I know who have met Josie(and John) have said they're lovely people and go far and beyond to give enough time to their fans and make sure everyone gets what they want. Sure they've made feck loads of money out of being in a house for a few months but honestly I don't see anyone who would turn down money for anything they've done. They're not fricking monsters,they're just lucky BB contestants who seem to get hated on for some unwarranted reasons.

['Conor]

i dont no if it will be good, but i will watch.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by 'Conor

i dont no if it will be good, but i will watch.

Loving the "Scream 4" pic

['Conor]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Loving the "Scream 4" pic

i no!! its quite epic 29 days...

[Shaun]

There's nothing about her

[Novo]

The Return of the Ogre

[Vicky.]

Not really interested in this. I am however interested in why people cannot say a bad word about josie without being bombarded with 'but shes a nice girl' posts. Same as noone can post anything positive about john james without a load of 'but hes a wanker' posts...

Different strokes for different folks people

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not really interested in this. I am however interested in why people cannot say a bad word about josie without being bombarded with 'but shes a nice girl' posts. Same as noone can post anything positive about john james without a load of 'but hes a wanker' posts...

Different strokes for different folks people

Fair enough, but it's one thing for FMs to criticise BB HMs, they're fair game, but it's another thing for people to personally insult others because they post negatively about their faves.

[bbfan1991]

I'm amazed at how the same people who keep bitching and moaning at Josie are interested in this, goes to show they really do care, they are on an infilitrating mission for Ben Duncan really.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

I'm amazed at how the same people who keep bitching and moaning at Josie are interested in this, goes to show they really do care, they are on an infilitrating mission for Ben Duncan really.

Well, there's no way I'm going to back down if I'm personally attacked for having a negative opinion about her. And I do like to have the last word.

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well, there's no way I'm going to back down if I'm personally attacked for having a negative opinion about her. And I do like to have the last word.

Well I'm not gonna let ya
Because I'm going to pop in and say I agree completely with everything you've been saying.
She's setting herself up - shamelessly - as the new poster child of the innately ineloquent. Let's see how she fares, shall we?
For me, she's a symptom of a social malaise. For those who can't see, that; well, bu-bye!