[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What good does it do?

Do you know how much real estate the catholic church have for example (billions)?

and yet every day they preach about Jesus who taught people to give up wealth and give it to the poor?

Agreed about the financial side. Churches seem out only to get money. I remember when I was young and was dragged along to church with my grandma, twice a week she used to put 20 quid in the collection, but one week she was a bit skint so put a fiver in instead...and the ****ing glare she got was unbelievable, she was actually asked where her 'usual' contribution' was...I think thats taking the mick to be honest, a fivers still a lot more than most would put in.

Anyways, the good it does...it gives hope to those who would have nothing. I know most religions teach ignorance and intolerance, but for every homophobe born out of christianity, theres 10 little old women welcoming death rather than being scared because they think that they are going to meet god or something like that. Personally I think there is nothing at all after death but if it helps those on their deathbed, who am I to begrudge them that.

Not everyone follows the religious teachings to a tee these days anyway, I think you would be hard pushed to find someone who lived their life totally according to the bible or whatever. Everything has its good points and bad points.

[Vicky.]

While saying all this though, I must admit that I still just shut the door on the jehovas witnesses when they come round

[Crimson Dynamo]

God told that guy to behead that woman

and if you think "that was not god" then lets see your proof

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

God told that guy to behead that woman

and if you think "that was not god" then lets see your proof

What on earth are you on about now...

So...some crazy guy says god told him to do something. And this means all religion is bad why?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Personally I think there is nothing at all after death but if it helps those on their deathbed, who am I to begrudge them that.

that's what I think and I'm very happy to think that. Nothing there, nothing to fear.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

What on earth are you on about now...

So...some crazy guy says god told him to do something. And this means all religion is bad why?

There is nothing stopping anyone saying god told me to do this. This is why religion is bad. People use a fictitious situation to make people do things like kill, blow them selves up, give money, feel guilt and so on.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is nothing stopping anyone saying god told me to do this. This is why religion is bad. People use a fictitious situation to make people do things like kill, blow them selves up, give money, feel guilt and so on.

Thats terrible reasoning

Just because a few crazy people make out that they did whatever for religion...

If there was no religion, they would just blame it on something else.

I massacred 200 people because the banana in my fridge told me to do it. Lets ban bananas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats terrible reasoning

Just because a few crazy people make out that they did whatever for religion...

If there was no religion, they would just blame it on something else.

I massacred 200 people because the banana in my fridge told me to do it. Lets ban bananas.

Suicide bombers, 9/11 - all religiously motivated. taliban?

[Stu]

Now I get it. His still a Jesus freak but by pulling off this sort of gimmickery with these **** arguments his getting us to argue for him.

You cunning fox, you.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Suicide bombers, 9/11 - all religiously motivated. taliban?

Allegedly

Strange given that the quran teaches peace though...sure it doesnt say in it anything along the lines of go blow up people you dislike.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is nothing stopping anyone saying god told me to do this. This is why religion is bad. People use a fictitious situation to make people do things like kill, blow them selves up, give money, feel guilt and so on.

This post has summarised just how ill educated you are.

Terrorists use religion as an excuse for their selfish crimes and that automatically makes anyone who believes in a God bad?

I say "a God" because everyone believes in different things. Even within specific religions not everyone is the same.

The screams of a mentally unstable madman who beheaded a woman in a supermarket is hardly symbolic of everyone is it?

This is worse than the complaints that Ronnie's baby swap in Eastenders was trying to represent all mothers who lost children to cot death.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

This post has summarised just how ill educated you are.

Terrorists use religion as an excuse for their selfish crimes and that automatically makes anyone who believes in a God bad?

I say "a God" because everyone believes in different things. Even within specific religions not everyone is the same.

The screams of a mentally unstable madman who beheaded a woman in a supermarket is hardly symbolic of everyone is it.

This is worse than the complaints that Ronnie's baby swap in Eastenders was trying to represent all mothers who lost children to cot death.

So the "madman" cannot speak to god but a local priest can?

a suicide bomber cannot speak to allah but a bloke down the local mosque can?

how?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So the "madman" cannot speak to god but a local priest can?

a suicide bomber cannot speak to allah but a bloke down the local mosque can?

how?

either you're not very good at explaining your points or I'm a bit slow. Local priests are not committing extreme offences.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So the "madman" cannot speak to god but a local priest can?

a suicide bomber cannot speak to allah but a bloke down the local mosque can?

how?

Since when do priests in general commit crimes and evil deeds?

Since when did priests claim they literally speak with God verbally?

Again, ill educated and not very bright at all.

And again, you're suggesting that if the madman did speak with God, that God is evil.
Well that's different to debating whether religion (belief or non belief) is wrong.

Clearly doesn't understand the concept of different religions and different people. You can't lump everyone in one category.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Since when do priests in general commit crimes and evil deeds?

Since when did priests claim they literally speak with God verbally?

Again, ill educated and not very bright at all.

And again, you're suggesting that if the madman did speak with God, that God is evil.
Well that's different to debating whether religion (belief or non belief) is wrong.

ireland for one place

all priests claim to speak to god via praying in churches

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

ireland for one place

all priests claim to speak to god via praying in churches

Praying in a church is not claiming to literally have a conversation with God.
If you think "praying" is literally "talking to God" then you are silly. Plenty people pray, not just priests. It can be a form of meditation.

Even if that was true, how does it represent all religious people?
Is this generalisation still not getting through to you?

And one point. Getting rid of religion will stop people like the madman in the supermarket how exactly?

If someone is criminally insane and is going to kill someone, they'll do it regardless of if there's a church down the road or not.

They'll just find another excuse to make themselves feel better about their evil act.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Praying in a church is not claiming to literally have a conversation with God.
If you think "praying" is literally "talking to God" then you are silly. Plenty people pray, not just priests. It can be a form of meditation.

Even if that was true, how does it represent all religious people?
Is this generalisation still not getting through to you?

And one point. Getting rid of religion will stop people like the madman in the supermarket how exactly?

If someone is criminally insane and is going to kill someone, they'll do it regardless of if there's a church down the road or not.

They'll just find another excuse to make themselves feel better about their evil act.

"If you think "praying" is literally "talking to God" then you are silly"


I nominate this is the single most ridiculous post of 2011

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"If you think "praying" is literally "talking to God" then you are silly"


I nominate this is the single most ridiculous post of 2011

After all the tosh you've come out with today? Don't make me laugh.

Read the rest of my post.

There's a BIG difference between praying to God and talking to God, where a voice talks back telling you to kill people.

Do you understand?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zippy

either you're not very good at explaining your points or I'm a bit slow. Local priests are not committing extreme offences.

good response Zippy.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Its not a question of respecting religion. Its about respecting the right of others to believe whatever gives them comfort or answers. Even if theyre deluded.

The problem with that logic is that religious people more often than not don't respect the none religious or indeed those virgin to religion.

Religious people in positions of power will indulge their version of society onto others. Religious parents will indoctronate their children (often refered to as being raised with a particular religion) Inspite of the fact nothing they believe in can be proven and children are vunerable to being groomed with all sorts of rubbish.

As a result of the above comments I have made I conclude that deluded people of any sort should not be respected neither should their deluded beliefs.......

Anyone who takes advantage and grooms children with beliefs that cannot be proven deserves the most utter contempt one can give them....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The problem with that logic is that religious people more often than not don't respect the none religious or indeed those virgin to religion.

More generalised nonsense.

[Stu]

That ought to be Bananarama's custom status.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

More generalised nonsense.

Of which you are clearly an expert by making such a lack of detailed response with no intellectual satus what so ever...I feel sorry for people like you as you contribute nothing to a debate

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Stu

That ought to be Bananarama's custom status.

Another pointless response........

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Of which you are clearly an expert by making such a lack of detailed response with no intellectual satus what so ever...I feel sorry for people like you as you contribute nothing to a debate

And you do contribute to the debate? Coming in at the last minute to make a comment on all religious people based off a couple of your own examples.

As I said before, unfair generalisation. And calling my posts a generalisation shows you don't understand anything in this thread.

Satus is not a word. And whatsoever is all one word. Just a tip.