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Crimson Dynamo · 01-08-2011, 05:20 PM

No

we should give no aid to africa or india or pakistan or any of the 3rd world

Pyramid* · 01-08-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No

we should give no aid to africa or india or pakistan or any of the 3rd world

At all?

What about those hit by tsunami for example. Plenty of countries regarded as Third World but who don't have over population and famine ravaging their country..... so why no aid to them?

Vicky. · 01-08-2011, 05:50 PM

I wonder if anyone would help us if...say a tsunami hit us. Unlikely to happen yeah, but interesting to wonder. I cant see it myself tbh.

tmi · 01-08-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wonder if anyone would help us if...say a tsunami hit us. Unlikely to happen yeah, but interesting to wonder. I cant see it myself tbh.

Hey the thing is we bend over backwards to help other countries, no is the answer, we are too nice and thats why we are laughed at, we should be stronger country when it comes to immigration, benefit cheats etc. Like Australia when we have enough people living in Britain we should shut the gates to more immigrants, they are allowed to have houses and benefits and the people who pay in the system get fark all. Also dont get me started on the nanny state .

Pyramid* · 01-08-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wonder if anyone would help us if...say a tsunami hit us. Unlikely to happen yeah, but interesting to wonder. I cant see it myself tbh.

I think the usual allies would certainly chip in. wouldn't be good for old world politics if they didn't.

Shaun · 03-08-2011, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wonder if anyone would help us if...say a tsunami hit us. Unlikely to happen yeah, but interesting to wonder. I cant see it myself tbh.

If you consider recent natural disasters in two of the three richest economies - USA (Hurricane Katrina) and Japan (earlier this year) - both of these received a lot of donations even from countries with little to spare. And they're traditionally seen as economically stable (although the current debt problems might say otherwise

) I don't think the Red Cross or other such worldwide charities are that swayed by politics.

I probably would but like others have said I'd rather make sure it went to something useful rather than the plane fares there. Though I guess someone has to pay for that :/

Redway · 01-08-2011, 10:22 PM

I'd like to point out that the whole of Africa isn't dying of starvation - it's only Somalia. In regards to the question, I would.

MTVN · 02-08-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

I'd like to point out that the whole of Africa isn't dying of starvation - it's only Somalia. In regards to the question, I would.

Umm no, Somalia is not the only African country where people are suffering from starvation

Pyramid* · 02-08-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

I'd like to point out that the whole of Africa isn't dying of starvation - it's only Somalia. In regards to the question, I would.

Really? someone needs to do a little more research. Here's a starter for ten for you.....

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Some "12.4 million people in Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia and Djibouti are in dire need of help and the situation is getting worse," U.N. under-secretary-general and emergency relief coordinator Valerie Amos told reporters.

Redway · 02-08-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Really? someone needs to do a little more research. Here's a starter for ten for you.....

Well, those select countries.

Redway · 02-08-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Really? someone needs to do a little more research. Here's a starter for ten for you.....

But 49 countries in Africa aren't.

MTVN · 02-08-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

But 49 countries in Africa aren't.

Basically the whole of Africa is rampant with starvation, even if not all of the countries are suffering from the current famine as much as Somalia is

Redway · 02-08-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Basically the whole of Africa is rampant with starvation, even if not all of the countries are suffering from the current famine as much as Somalia is

I don't agree. http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/

I know people who are from Africa; I have friends from Africa. Trust me, the whole of Africa is not suffering with starvation, but there is a massive difference between the rich and the poor. A rich person in, say, Nigeria is equivalent to an upper middle-class person here. A poor person in Nigeria is equivalent to...let's not go there.

MTVN · 02-08-2011, 08:11 PM

I've got to agree with Livia, and to be honest Pyramid I think you're coming across as pretty narrow-minded

And forced sterilisation is just f*cking disgusting, even more so if you want to impose it on those who are completely innocent. And who's going to enact this policy exactly, in war torn Somalia which has no real government to speak of?

Pyramid* · 02-08-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

I've got to agree with Livia, and to be honest Pyramid I think you're coming across as pretty narrow-minded

And forced sterilisation is just f*cking disgusting, even more so if you want to impose it on those who are completely innocent. And who's going to enact this policy exactly, in war torn Somalia which has no real government to speak of?

I don't particularly care if I come across as pretty narrow minded. I have my opinion and that's that really.

You may think forced sterilisation is just *****ing disgusting. I don't. It's a discussion, and that's my choice in how I wish to discuss it - and that is my view on the matter - for all of the reasons I have given. I'm here to offer my own thoughts.You don't have to like it - I'm not here to curry favour

InOne · 02-08-2011, 11:33 PM

At the end of the day there is plenty going on with our own country. We have kids over here that are in poverty and I'd rather concentrate on that.

Pyramid* · 02-08-2011, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

At the end of the day there is plenty going on with our own country. We have kids over here that are in poverty and I'd rather concentrate on that.

I have the same thought myself these days. ie: Let's get our own house in order first .....

InOne · 02-08-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I have the same thought myself these days. ie: Let's get our own house in order first .....

Yeah, like tmi said we help others out too much without sorting our own problems out first.

Liberty4eva · 03-08-2011, 12:50 AM

I think a more practical way to help africa would be for the western world to eliminate its subsidies on agriculture.

Redway · 03-08-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

At the end of the day there is plenty going on with our own country. We have kids over here that are in poverty and I'd rather concentrate on that.

Not really. Africa suffers from starvation (East Africa, at least). At least help is easy to find in Britain. East Africa needs help the most.

I'd help them.

InOne · 03-08-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

Not really. Africa suffers from starvation (East Africa, at least). At least help is easy to find in Britain. East Africa needs help the most.

I'd help them.

If help is easy to find then why is it happening? And why Africa? Why not help Indians in poverty? It's like deciding who is more worthy or something so I'd rather just help people in the UK in need first.

Niamh. · 03-08-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

If help is easy to find then why is it happening? And why Africa? Why not help Indians in poverty? It's like deciding who is more worthy or something so I'd rather just help people in the UK in need first.

People are actually starving to death in Africa though, people in the UK aren't. The thought of dying like that or having to watch your kids die like that is just horrific. You were lucky enough to be born in the UK, try to imagine if you did happen to be born over there and everyone just turned their backs and said "it's not my problem"

Redway · 03-08-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

People are actually starving to death in Africa though, people in the UK aren't. The thought of dying like that or having to watch your kids die like that is just horrific. You were lucky enough to be born in the UK, try to imagine if you did happen to be born over there and everyone just turned their backs and said "it's not my problem"

Exactly. The worst that can happen in the UK is not having a bed to sleep on (and that's usually down to child abuse). People in Africa are actually starving. When was the last time somebody was starving in England (excluding child abuse)? Never. Even if they were, you can get something for £1 just down the street. In Somalia (for example), you'd probably have to walk hundreds of miles, before you could reach a shop, and, in famine, do they really have the energy to walk all the way?

InOne · 03-08-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

People are actually starving to death in Africa though, people in the UK aren't. The thought of dying like that or having to watch your kids die like that is just horrific. You were lucky enough to be born in the UK, try to imagine if you did happen to be born over there and everyone just turned their backs and said "it's not my problem"

But still, whilst our own are in poverty, they should be made priorty. Need to sort ourselves our before we help others which is our main problem.

Redway · 03-08-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

If help is easy to find then why is it happening? And why Africa? Why not help Indians in poverty? It's like deciding who is more worthy or something so I'd rather just help people in the UK in need first.

Well, India isn't in severe enough famine. Seeing as they mentioned Africa, I'd happily go down there and help.

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