[MTVN]

Originally Posted by InOne

When it's the EDL it's racist, when it's Radical Muslims it's "extremism"

Well Radical Muslims are a lot of things but I wouldn't say they were racist, I wouldn't necessarily say the EDL were either because Islam isn't a race, they're more Islamophobic

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well Radical Muslims are a lot of things but I wouldn't say they were racist, I wouldn't necessarily say the EDL were either because Islam isn't a race, they're more Islamophobic

No, I mean that's how it is portrayed in the media.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well Radical Muslims are a lot of things but I wouldn't say they were racist, I wouldn't necessarily say the EDL were either because Islam isn't a race, they're more Islamophobic

Saying for Troops to Burn in hell,
last year, just creates more anger

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by arista

Saying for Troops to Burn in hell,
last year, just creates more anger

Interesting. Amusing to think if it wasnt for the troops that the poppies remember, those same protestors may not have the right to demonstrate their hatred of those troops or the state that supports them.

Sometimes makes you wonder if it may not have been better if Kaiser Bill or Dolf had won.

[fruit_cake]

what do poppies and muslims have to do with each other? beats me

[arista]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

what do poppies and muslims have to do with each other? beats me

Thats Easy

We a fighting in Muslim Nations - thanks to Evil Bush /Blair
thats why we had the London Tube/Bus Bombs
in 2005

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_...ondon_bombings

[fruit_cake]

I always thought the poppy represented WW1

[arista]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I always thought the poppy represented WW1

No its all Army right up to now

[Livia]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I always thought the poppy represented WW1

The poppy represents servicemen and women who have died in all conflicts since WW1. It was adopted when swathes of red poppies bloomed on the battlefields where so many had died.

Muslims (not all, a tiny minority of demented extremists who are stuck in the dark ages) made a connection with the poppy when they decided to burn them. Also when they announced they plan to break the silence on Remembrance Day when people remember the people who died or who have been injured to give us the freedoms we enjoy now.

[fruit_cake]

maybe they're cold

[Tom4784]

Poppies have just become a way of showing off how self righteous a person is these days, It's less about showing respect towards soldiers and more about showing off how much you 'care' to everyone else as well as giving these people a sense of superiority. It's just very disengenuine to me now. People just wear them to look good and that's ruined the spirit of them for me.

I make a donation every year but I don't wear poppies, I pay my respects in my own way that's not dominated by a need to show off.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Poppies have just become a way of showing off how self righteous a person is these days, It's less about showing respect towards soldiers and more about showing off how much you 'care' to everyone else as well as giving these people a sense of superiority. It's just very disengenuine to me now. People just wear them to look good and that's ruined the spirit of them for me.

I make a donation every year but I don't wear poppies, I pay my respects in my own way that's not dominated by a need to show off.

I don't see how everyone who wears a poppy is being disingenuous. Maybe that's how some people think. But, believe me, at the Cenotaph on Sunday Morning, no one will be wearing them for show or to feel good about themselves. And no one who's served, or lost someone who's served will be wearing them to show off. Suggesting people only wear them for show is insulting to the vast majority of people who wear them with genuine pride. It's good you contribute, and fine if you choose not to wear your poppy, but it's wrong to accuse everyone when your comments only apply to a few.

[Stu]

Jon Snow summed it up best :




"I am begged to wear an Aids ribbon, a breast cancer ribbon, a Marie Curie flower... You name it, from the Red Cross to the RNIB, they send me stuff to wear to raise awareness, and I don't.

"And in those terms, and those terms alone, I do not and will not wear a poppy.

"Additionally there is a rather unpleasant breed of poppy fascism out there - 'He damned well must wear a poppy!'.

"Well I do, in my private life, but I am not going to wear it or any other symbol on air."




Of course I have no problem with them and all that but I am a little dubious of this whole American type furore of supporting 'our boys' in the army who have been put on a bit too much of a pedestal in my opinion.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Stu

Jon Snow summed it up best :




"I am begged to wear an Aids ribbon, a breast cancer ribbon, a Marie Curie flower... You name it, from the Red Cross to the RNIB, they send me stuff to wear to raise awareness, and I don't.

"And in those terms, and those terms alone, I do not and will not wear a poppy.

"Additionally there is a rather unpleasant breed of poppy fascism out there - 'He damned well must wear a poppy!'.

"Well I do, in my private life, but I am not going to wear it or any other symbol on air."




Of course I have no problem with them and all that but I am a little dubious of this whole American type furore of supporting 'our boys' in the army who have been put on a bit too much of a pedestal in my opinion.

I do agree tbh, this might sound controversial but the Poppy seems to be increasingly becoming a way of legitimising war and militarism, and yeah the "Our Boys" rhetoric that you always see the Sun use. I did actually consider getting a White Poppy this year but then I'd have just felt pretentious.

[Livia]

I was at the Cenotaph this year remembering someone close to me who's gone. Someone who served in the army. No one at the Cenotaph was feeling pleased with themselves because they'd dropped 50p into a poppy collector's box. No one there was indulging in "Our Boys" rhetoric. Most people had lost someone. I wish I could still revel in the ignorance that allows people to suggest people are "poppy nazis" because they think the country owes the military a debt of gratitude.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was at the Cenotaph this year remembering someone close to me who's gone. Someone who served in the army. No one at the Cenotaph was feeling pleased with themselves because they'd dropped 50p into a poppy collector's box. No one there was indulging in "Our Boys" rhetoric. Most people had lost someone. I wish I could still revel in the ignorance that allows people to suggest people are "poppy nazis" because they think the country owes the military a debt of gratitude.

It's not that I don't respect soldiers, and I feel for anybody that has lost someone because of war. I've always honoured the two minutes silence and I try to go to Remembrance Parades and my objections to the Poppy don't change that. But I don't agree with war, and particularly not any of the ongoing conflicts that are just a waste of life, and I don't think the Army should be glamorised. The Poppy should be more used as a symbol for the condemnation of War and of it's grief, and we should also remember non-British victims, the countless number of civilians that have died in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

[CharlieO]

We have been forced to wear them at school.

[Mystic Mock]

Does this stupid government give into every countries demand? I dont wear a Poppy but it should be an option for people of this country that want to remember the poor soldiers in the past.

And the muslims that are threatening to burn the Poppies are hypocrites because they hate anybody just mocking there ways,just look at the death threats the South Park writers got so they should shut there mouths.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Does this stupid government give into every countries demand? I dont wear a Poppy but it should be an option for people of this country that want to remember the poor soldiers in the past.

And the muslims that are threatening to burn the Poppies are hypocrites because they hate anybody just mocking there ways,just look at the death threats the South Park writers got so they should shut there mouths.

What do you mean, the Government's been nothing but supportive of the Poppy movement, it was Cameron's letter to FIFA that persuaded them to allow the England team to have poppies on their shirts

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What do you mean, the Government's been nothing but supportive of the Poppy movement, it was Cameron's letter to FIFA that persuaded them to allow the England team to have poppies on their shirts

Not strictly true, FIFA rules forbid the wearing of political religious or commercial messages on teams shirts.

The poppy could be seen as both a political and religious message as its in Remembrance of Dead and Wounded servicemen.

http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/w...gland-friendly

A compromise was reached to allow English, Welsh and Scottish teams to affix a poppy to black armbands worn over the shirt sleeve, thereby getting round the FIFA ruling. If you noticed however coaching staff on the sidelines still wore the tops with a cloth poppy sewn on.

This compromise was actually reportedly proposed by an MP who is also a qualified referee - Chris Heaton-Harris.

http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/c...e-in-poppy-row

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What do you mean, the Government's been nothing but supportive of the Poppy movement, it was Cameron's letter to FIFA that persuaded them to allow the England team to have poppies on their shirts

Yeah after loads of complaints.

[King Gizzard]

I would say it was more Prince William..but yeah

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I would say it was more Prince William..but yeah

Fifa don't care about the Royal Family

[King Gizzard]

Half the team ended up not wearing them anyway

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Half the team ended up not wearing them anyway

All the players wore them, on their track suits, on their training shirts and on their armbands. Some had poppies on their boots. During the match some armbends fell off when the velcro came unstuck, but they all started out wearing them.