[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

First of all not everyone believes in transgender for various reasons eg religion/ culture/ science. That you can't actually change your assigned birth gender any more than you can change your race, so to a lot of people the likes of Lauren Harries is just a bitchy gay man who's had a vagina installed.

When I meet transgendered people I will always treat them in the way they want to be treated, so if I met Lauren I'd regard her to her face as being a woman. But in private I will see her as a bloke, but never let this be known to her out of respect for what she wants. To be honest I used to believe in transgenderism, and supported it now I am cynical and think people just change gender as they can't hack being in their birth gender. An effeminate man deciding he would make a better woman as he's never going to live up to the ideal of the macho man. Rather than changing gender, I would rather society accepted that some men are effeminate and some women are butch. There's a who spectrum of people. You don't have to be a woman to be feminine and not all women are feminine anyway.

For me now gender isn't something you can actively participate in changing - it's given to you when you are born (unless you are inter-sexual). And there is growing number of transgender people who are changing back to their birth gender 'oh I am bored of being a female now, I now want to be a bloke again'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ws-hed-be.html

http://deaconjohnspace.wordpress.com...ge-operations/

Why don't we have men who want to become butch women? Why are all male to female transgenders wanting to be frilly, girly and feminine? I grew up pa girl who liked playing football and playing with action men, but it didn't make me want to be a boy. Why aren't there men who want to be tomboys as tomboys are still female. I am actually insulted when transgendered women say 'I always wanted to be a girl as I liked playing with dolls and wearing pink' Erm, I didn't.

And even those that do accept transgenderism/ transsexualism etc see it as part of the LGBT spectrum even though most male - to - female transgender women will be women who fancy men ie straight women.

Being gay and being born feeling you were a straight woman trapped in a mans body are 2 different things.

Gay and transgender are not the same thing.

Some of your points here are also rediculous

An effeminate man deciding he would make a better woman as he's never going to live up to the ideal of the macho man. Rather than changing gender, I would rather society accepted that some men are effeminate and some women are butch

Thats not what transgender is. Being transgender is something you are, not what you choose to do. Being transgender means that they NEED to change thier body and not just live as an effimenate man that is just absurd! as to put it bluntly they want a vag not a penis.

And there is growing number of transgender people who are changing back to their birth gender 'oh I am bored of being a female now, I now want to be a bloke again'


You actually think people get "bored" haha. Its not because of that its because they realise they actually made a mistake and these people are NOT transgender. Transgender is a fact and is 100% differet from being gay.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

First of all not everyone believes in transgender for various reasons eg religion/ culture/ science. That you can't actually change your assigned birth gender any more than you can change your race, so to a lot of people the likes of Lauren Harries is just a bitchy gay man who's had a vagina installed.

When I meet transgendered people I will always treat them in the way they want to be treated, so if I met Lauren I'd regard her to her face as being a woman. But in private I will see her as a bloke, but never let this be known to her out of respect for what she wants. To be honest I used to believe in transgenderism, and supported it now I am cynical and think people just change gender as they can't hack being in their birth gender. What I think in private is up to me and I refuse to tow the PC-line, but again I would never let on to a transgendered person as they should never be made to feel uncomfortable. An effeminate man deciding he would make a better woman as he's never going to live up to the ideal of the macho man. Rather than changing gender, I would rather society accepted that some men are effeminate and some women are butch. There's a who spectrum of people. You don't have to be a woman to be feminine and not all women are feminine anyway.

For me now gender isn't something you can actively participate in changing - it's given to you when you are born (unless you are inter-sexual). If you can change your gender then you can change your race and ethnicity! And there is growing number of transgender people who are changing back to their birth gender 'oh I am bored of being a female now, I now want to be a bloke again'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ws-hed-be.html

http://deaconjohnspace.wordpress.com...ge-operations/

Why don't we have men who want to become butch women? Why are all male to female transgenders wanting to be frilly, girly and feminine? I grew up pa girl who liked playing football and playing with action men, but it didn't make me want to be a boy. Why aren't there men who want to be tomboys as tomboys are still female. I am actually insulted when transgendered women say 'I always wanted to be a girl as I liked playing with dolls and wearing pink' Erm, I didn't.

And even those that do accept transgenderism/ transsexualism etc see it as part of the LGBT spectrum even though most male - to - female transgender women will be women who fancy men ie straight women.

I agree with you, you can't change your gender. If "she" takes a DNA test, "she" will show up as a man.

A black person can bleach their skin to make it appear white. That still doesn't change their race. Was Michael Jackson a white man after he bleached his skin? Of course not.

[spintronic]

Originally Posted by SoBig

I agree with you, you can't change your gender. If "she" takes a DNA test, "she" will show up as a man.

A black person can bleach their skin to make it appear white. That still doesn't change their race. Was Michael Jackson a white man after he bleached his skin? Of course not.

There are rare cases, Klinefelter's syndrome = xxy Male,
and
XYY syndrome = xyy male.

But at the end of the day.

If you have 1 y or 2 y chromosomes, you're a man. End of.

Nothing short of a "D.N.A manipulation machine" from Stargate (Built by the ancients) will change that fact.

No amount of stem cell or hormone therapy, nor surgery.

You'll still be a man.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Shes not gay shes a transexual.

Well surely she must see herself as gay...if shes accusing harry of being homophobic towards her, no?

Unless she means just pete...but then my post just changes to 'Disliking a highly irritating gay person makes someone homophobic? Who would have thought it? '

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well surely she must see herself as gay...if shes accusing harry of being homophobic towards her, no?

Unless she means just pete...but then my post just changes to 'Disliking a highly irritating gay person makes someone homophobic? Who would have thought it? '

Correct!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

homeophobic

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

also isnt homophobia a hatred of gay men lauren claims to be a woman does heshe not

[pegson123]

why do a lot of gay people or ladyboys always call people homophobes if someone doesn't hug kiss hold their hand. Could it be the person just does not like them.

[Black Dagger]

Pretty sure Harry and Aaron had a kiss on BOTS.

But whatever you say Lauren, cretin.

[WCR1942]

Homophobia (no e) applies to all homosexual people whatever their gender.

[pegson123]

lol i never saw aaron kiss harry on the lips?

[Suze]

Originally Posted by pegson123

lol i never saw aaron kiss harry on the lips?

On BBs BOTS, he went over to Harry, cupped his face in his hands and plonked a smacker on his lips, Harry looked stunned for a minute I think that's how it happened, but the evening of Aaron's win was a bit of a whirl

[joeysteele]

It's a mystery to me why this Lauren person gets so much publicity, she is truly awful with nothing interesting to say and pretty unpleasant to look at too.

[Mystic Mock]

Well she is the Derry of Big Brother by making up ****.

[MTVN]

A homeophobe? Urban Dictionary tells me that's someone with a fear of going home early

[smartalec2718]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A homeophobe? Urban Dictionary tells me that's someone with a fear of going home early

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A homeophobe? Urban Dictionary tells me that's someone with a fear of going home early

Maybe Harry does have an irrational fear of going home early, you never know what might await him?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I really dislike this sheman

How ironic that in a thread to do with discrimination you choose to use, quite unnecessarily, a fairly offensive and discriminatory term towards transgenders.

I'm against what Lauren is claiming, but is there any need really?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jack_

How ironic that in a thread to do with discrimination you choose to use, quite unnecessarily, a fairly offensive and discriminatory term towards transgenders.

I'm against what Lauren is claiming, but is there any need really?

Good point

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

How ironic that in a thread to do with discrimination you choose to use, quite unnecessarily, a fairly offensive and discriminatory term towards transgenders.

I'm against what Lauren is claiming, but is there any need really?

very good point.Theres's no need for that sort of thing on these forums..

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by parmnion

very good point.Theres's no need for that sort of thing on these forums..

This coming from the person that refered to Aaron as 'Sharron'...

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

This coming from the person that refered to Aaron as 'Sharron'...

His own fault for mincing about the place for nine weeks

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by parmnion

very good point.Theres's no need for that sort of thing on these forums..

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

This coming from the person that refered to Aaron as 'Sharron'...

Originally Posted by parmnion

His own fault for mincing about the place for nine weeks

Oh dear.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by parmnion

His own fault for mincing about the place for nine weeks

Do you not understand that by saying that & refering to Aaron as 'Sharron' (as you are basically insinuating that he is gay) is offensive & could be construed as homophobic?

So it does seem rather ironic that you slate others for making transphobic comments...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

This coming from the person that refered to Aaron as 'Sharron'...

they always trip themselves up