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Jack_ · 13-12-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

then the ones on here who think it's was OTT would be moaning the lack of pubic train services.

Considering I've already stated once in this thread that I don't for one second agree with fare dodging, that is complete and utter bull****.

Fare dodging is theft and it annoys me, however hauling a 19 year old out of a train when he wasn't violent towards anyone himself is uncalled for. It didn't concern him and not only that, as Karl has already mentioned, who is to say the 'fare dodger' was completely in the wrong? Without the full story he has even less of a right to take matters into his own hands.

Just because I don't agree with what the 'big man' in this video did, it doesn't mean I agree with fare dodging. Alright?

Mystic Mock · 13-12-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Considering I've already stated once in this thread that I don't for one second agree with fare dodging, that is complete and utter bull****.

Fare dodging is theft and it annoys me, however hauling a 19 year old out of a train when he wasn't violent towards anyone himself is uncalled for. It didn't concern him and not only that, as Karl has already mentioned, who is to say the 'fare dodger' was completely in the wrong? Without the full story he has even less of a right to take matters into his own hands.

Just because I don't agree with what the 'big man' in this video did, it doesn't mean I agree with fare dodging. Alright?

The fare dodger must have been in the wrong as everybody else on the train was siding with the big man.

Pyramid* · 13-12-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bethlehem

The fare dodger must have been in the wrong as everybody else on the train was siding with the big man.

Yes, everyone who had paid their way.

Unfortunately, it's ones like this guy that give others in their generation a bad name.

I'd love to a return ticket to the Maldives - so in effect, I should only buy a one way ticket and sneak my way back home again and not be expected to leave the plane when I'm requested to do so but should be allowed to remain in my seat until we reach the return destination. It's exactly the same thing this guy was wanting to get away with only on a grander scale.

*looks out holiday clothes, packs suitcase, orders one way flight*

Pyramid* · 13-12-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Considering I've already stated once in this thread that I don't for one second agree with fare dodging, that is complete and utter bull****.

Fare dodging is theft and it annoys me, however hauling a 19 year old out of a train when he wasn't violent towards anyone himself is uncalled for. It didn't concern him and not only that, as Karl has already mentioned, who is to say the 'fare dodger' was completely in the wrong? Without the full story he has even less of a right to take matters into his own hands.

Just because I don't agree with what the 'big man' in this video did, it doesn't mean I agree with fare dodging. Alright?

It's my opinion - and it's not bullsh*t.

The laddo was asked to remove himself, and get off the train numerous times. He choose not to. He was then assisted in leaving by force. Not a thing wrong with that. Alright.

Ramsay · 13-12-2011, 07:20 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ain-train.html

Seems it was just a misunderstanding
The kid was half asleep and handed him the wrong ticket it seems and **** got way out of hand way too fast

Jack_ · 13-12-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowball

It's my opinion - and it's not bullsh*t.

Yes it is bull****, because you said that anybody in this thread moaning about how 'OTT' it was (which I am one of), would moan about the lack of public train services, implying that I am perfectly alright with his fare dodging which would lead to that eventual consequence.

However, since I stated in my second post in this thread that I didn't agree with the fare dodging, I am quite obviously not alright with it. And I stated that in this thread, which was clear for you to read before you assumed that I, amongst others who objected the 'big mans' actions, would moan about the lack of public train services.

So yes. Yes it is bull****.

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Originally Posted by Snowball

The laddo was asked to remove himself, and get off the train numerous times. He choose not to. He was then assisted in leaving by force. Not a thing wrong with that. Alright.

The guy himself didn't once use physical force towards anybody though, and so the 'big man' had even less of a right intervening with physical force. There is no excuse whatsoever for unnecessary displays of physical force/violence, unless used in self defence or in extreme cases.

Jordan. · 13-12-2011, 07:01 PM

People had places to be and he wasn't going to move so fair enough chucking him out on his arse.

Ramsay · 13-12-2011, 07:05 PM

But we dont know if the kid was in the wrong at all
If i was him and i bought a ticket and was accused of trying to get a free ride i wouldnt leave, i'd tell the old guy to **** off and stay where i am
For all we know thats what happened and this big ****er thinks its his place to physically throw the kid out and then gets APPLAUDED makes me sick
It could just be a huge misunderstanding and at the end of the day they should of let the proper authorities deal with it

Mystic Mock · 13-12-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl

But we dont know if the kid was in the wrong at all
If i was him and i bought a ticket and was accused of trying to get a free ride i wouldnt leave, i'd tell the old guy to **** off and stay where i am
For all we know thats what happened and this big ****er thinks its his place to physically throw the kid out and then gets APPLAUDED makes me sick
It could just be a huge misunderstanding and at the end of the day they should of let the proper authorities deal with it

I think if he really did pay the fare then it would have been found out before him being chucked off the train.

Ramsay · 13-12-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bethlehem

I think if he really did pay the fare then it would have been found out before him being chucked off the train.

I dont think so it seemed to escalated pretty quickly

Samuel. · 13-12-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl

But we dont know if the kid was in the wrong at all
If i was him and i bought a ticket and was accused of trying to get a free ride i wouldnt leave, i'd tell the old guy to **** off and stay where i am
For all we know thats what happened and this big ****er thinks its his place to physically throw the kid out and then gets APPLAUDED makes me sick
It could just be a huge misunderstanding and at the end of the day they should of let the proper authorities deal with it

Even if he had bought the wrong ticket (a single instead of a return by the sounds of it), he should have still left the train in that situation. Being stubborn like that, holding up hundreds of passengers and potentially other trains is selfish no matter how you look at it, even if there was a misunderstanding. Sort it out off the train, and then get the next one. Even if he had to be somewhere, he had to get that train, I'm willing to bet collectively the other people's journey was a lot more important than his own.

Livia · 13-12-2011, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl

But we dont know if the kid was in the wrong at all
If i was him and i bought a ticket and was accused of trying to get a free ride i wouldnt leave, i'd tell the old guy to **** off and stay where i am
For all we know thats what happened and this big ****er thinks its his place to physically throw the kid out and then gets APPLAUDED makes me sick
It could just be a huge misunderstanding and at the end of the day they should of let the proper authorities deal with it

Stop referring to him as a kid. He is a nineteen year old MAN.

What makes me sick are all the bleeding hearts, wringing their hands and boo hooing about a law breaker.

He was asked for his ticket, he produced a single for a return journey. Then he refused to get off. Why the hell should he get a free ride? If he's too stupid to get himself home he shouldn't have been out on his own. The onus is not on the conductor to prove he was fare dodging, it was on the passenger to produce his ticket. Public transport is not a charity, if he didn't have the fair he shouldn't have travelled, or found some other way of getting where he was going. It's what real people do.

The bloke who threw him off the train had paid and had to sit there while the train was stationary because the freeloading moron was refusing to get off.

Good on the bloke for chucking him off. If I'd been at work all day and had to wait for a freeloader, I'd have applauded him throwing him off too.

Ramsay · 13-12-2011, 08:32 PM

Read over my other replies Livia i cant be arsed to start up debating all over again

Livia · 13-12-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl

Read over my other replies Livia i cant be arsed to start up debating all over again

You say the same thing over and over. I'm the one who "can't be arsed".

Marsh. · 13-12-2011, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl

But we dont know if the kid was in the wrong at all
If i was him and i bought a ticket and was accused of trying to get a free ride i wouldnt leave, i'd tell the old guy to **** off and stay where i am
For all we know thats what happened and this big ****er thinks its his place to physically throw the kid out and then gets APPLAUDED makes me sick
It could just be a huge misunderstanding and at the end of the day they should of let the proper authorities deal with it

If the kid was at all right, he would have tried explaining himself instead of telling the conductor to f off. He sat there and refused to move after being asked several times. Therefore they had every right to physically remove him. Maybe it was wrong for a random passenger to do the heavy lifting, but he was helping out the older conductor guy.

The conductor had the ticket in his hand and was telling him he had paid one fair and not a return ticket. Pretty simple logic to me.

Benjamin · 14-12-2011, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

If the kid was at all right, he would have tried explaining himself instead of telling the conductor to f off. He sat there and refused to move after being asked several times. Therefore they had every right to physically remove him. Maybe it was wrong for a random passenger to do the heavy lifting, but he was helping out the older conductor guy.

The conductor had the ticket in his hand and was telling him he had paid one fair and not a return ticket. Pretty simple logic to me.

Absolutely in agreement with this. People are getting soft too soft nowadays in my opinion and let the dregs of society rule them in fear of by actually doing something, something may happen back to them in return. We seem to be becoming a nation of pushover's.

Pyramid* · 14-12-2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by God

Absolutely in agreement with this. People are getting soft too soft nowadays in my opinion and let the dregs of society rule them in fear of by actually doing something, something may happen back to them in return. We seem to be becoming a nation of pushover's.

Totally agree....

As it is it seems some here are happy to allow the drunks to do what the hell they want, be verbally abusive to who they want to, and go around telling lies to make their story sound better (ie: the guy lying that he wasn't allowed to get his backback/bag).

Samuel. · 13-12-2011, 07:06 PM

Yeah he was a bit rough, but no harm was done.

He should have just left the train, I'm not sure what he was expecting to happen. Especially his attempt at getting back on.