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lily. · 09-01-2012, 05:48 PM

I'm personally not a fan of the Royals.

I'm not a fan of anything to do with religion either, so a lot of things would change in both countries if it were up to me.

arista · 09-01-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I'm not religious but it's a bit rich of some people here to call the US "backwards" for being more religious than most. Isn't the Queen supposed to be like the head of the UK's official state religion? From what I understand she is, in theory, supposed to get her power to govern the peasants by the will of god. Until you guys scrap this disgusting royal family (with all its wealth that it never earned) it's a bit hypocritical for you to bemoan the US for not being atheist enough or call us "backwards". At least we don't maintain and take pride in a system that belongs in medieval times.

I'm proud to say the United States was founded by deists, the 18th century equivalent of atheists. All the founding documents were written by and the first few presidents were secularists. Thomas Jefferson practically defines what America is supposed to believe and he was one of the most skeptical of religion and certainly was not a Christian.

But if you were here
you would know she is not active as a Leader of the Church.

And in any case
There is no God .

SoBig · 09-01-2012, 06:15 PM

I actually agree with the OP. No point in having the Royal Family anymore. They have no real power. Its like having a moving statue.

Marsh. · 09-01-2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SoBig

I actually agree with the OP. No point in having the Royal Family anymore. They have no real power. Its like having a moving statue.

Except the OP's point wasn't that the Royal Family was pointless but religious. She/He got confused over how powerful the Royals are. Comparing it to the US President, who has to be a Christian.

lostalex · 09-01-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

Except the OP's point wasn't that the Royal Family was pointless but religious. She/He got confused over how powerful the Royals are. Comparing it to the US President, who has to be a Christian.

Well the Queen is the equivalent of the US president.

The Prime Minister of the UK is not equivilent to the President of the USA, the Equivelent in the USA to the Prime Minister is the Speaker of the House of Representitives, which at this time is John Beohner. He is the leader of the majority party in the House of Representivites(the republicans), just as David Cameron is the leader of the majority party in the House of Commons(the conservatives). ...yes i know he has a coalition, but i don't need to explain that complex arrangement, do I???

Obama is equal to the Queen, not the Prime Minister.

arista · 09-01-2012, 06:30 PM

"Well the Queen is the equivalent of the US president."

She can not Fire Nukes
like your Leader can.

You have it Wrong
if you were here - you would know

lostalex · 09-01-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

"Well the Queen is the equivalent of the US president."

She can not Fire Nukes
like your Leader can.

You have it Wrong
if you were here - you would know

can the PM fire nukes then in the UK? a PM like Gordon Brown who was never even elected to be the PM???

Let's take a time out now to think about all of the PM's in UK history who were not elected by the people, but have so much power. They were only CHOSEN by their own cronies in their own parties. Is that democracy??

No one in the UK ever elected Gordon Brown as yur PM, but he was your PM for years.

arista · 09-01-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

can the PM fire nukes then in the UK? a PM like Gordon Brown who was never even elected to be the PM???

Let's take a time out now to think about all of the PM's in UK history who were not elected by the people, but have so much power. They were only CHOSEN by their own cronies in their own parties. Is that democracy??

No one in the UK ever elected Gordon Brown as yur PM, but he was your PM for years.

Brown was just a temp Stooge - he was doomed

Yes David can Fire from his Nuke Subs
if needed

MTVN · 09-01-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

can the PM fire nukes then in the UK? a PM like Gordon Brown who was never even elected to be the PM???

Let's take a time out now to think about all of the PM's in UK history who were not elected by the people, but have so much power. They were only CHOSEN by their own cronies in their own parties. Is that democracy??

No one in the UK ever elected Gordon Brown as yur PM, but he was your PM for years.

If Obama died then Joe Biden would be President, who elected him?

lostalex · 09-01-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

If Obama died than Joe Biden would be President, who elected him?

The American epople knew Joe Biden was his VP when they Elected Obama, it's not a surprise.

The VP IS ELECTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST LIKE THE PRESIDENT, WHICH IS WHY OBAMA WON PARTLY, opps, caps, sorry, but yea, part of the reason Obama won is because Sarah Palin was McCains's VP and Americans were scared of the idea of her taking over since McCain was so old.

MTVN · 09-01-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

The American epople knew Joe Biden was his VP when they Elected Obama, it's not a surprise.

The VP IS ELECTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST LIKE THE PRESIDENT, WHICH IS WHY OBAMA WON PARTLY, opps, caps, sorry, but yea, part of the reason Obama won is because Sarah Palin was McCains's VP and Americans were scared of the idea of her taking over since McCain was so old.

Mmm so Americans had a lot of choice over who would be Obamas Vice President did they? He was only elected to that role by default after being picked by Obama himself

Scarlett. · 09-01-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

The American epople knew Joe Biden was his VP when they Elected Obama, it's not a surprise.

The VP IS ELECTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST LIKE THE PRESIDENT, WHICH IS WHY OBAMA WON PARTLY, opps, caps, sorry, but yea, part of the reason Obama won is because Sarah Palin was McCains's VP and Americans were scared of the idea of her taking over since McCain was so old.

We knew Brown would take over at some point when we elected Blair the third time, Brown was there for three terms too, trust me no one was shocked when Brown became PM

lostalex · 09-01-2012, 06:41 PM

Why should someone have to abdicate the throne just because they are homosexual? Why can't an adoptive child be part of the family?

Marsh. · 09-01-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

Why should someone have to abdicate the throne just because they are homosexual? Why can't an adoptive child be part of the family?

Can be a part of the family, but not inherit the throne.

That's like grabbing someone off the street and saying "You want to be Queen?". It's called a "blood" line for a reason.

lostalex · 09-01-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

Can be a part of the family, but not inherit the throne.

That's like grabbing someone off the street and saying "You want to be Queen?". It's called a "blood" line for a reason.

so you believe the Windsor bloodline is superior to everyone elses bloodlines?? seriously???

That is by far the most racist thing ive ever heard anyone say.

Marsh. · 09-01-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

so you believe the Windsor bloodline is superior to everyone elses bloodlines?? seriously???

Superior? It's inherited.

Would you rather your grandmother's house and belongings passed down to her descendants or was put up for auction for other's to take.

arista · 09-01-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

Superior? It's inherited.

Would you rather your grandmother's house and belongings passed down to her descendants or was put up for auction for other's to take.

You are Real Kind
Spending Time giving out
Education and History Lessons.

10 Outta 10 for 08marsh

lostalex · 09-01-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

You are Real Kind
Spending Time giving out
Education and History Lessons.

10 Outta10 for 08marsh

If my Grandmother stole her house from peasants and she lived her life steaing her income from poor people, then i'd want her house auctioned off to the highest bidder, and the money goes to all the people she stole from.

That is what the royals have done. all of their wealth comes from STEALING from the people of the UK.

Marsh. · 09-01-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

That is by far the most racist thing ive ever heard anyone say.

That word is so misused it's untrue. It's not "racist" in the slightest. This is Britain, we're all British. One race.

I think I understand what you're trying to say, but racism is the wrong description.

And it's not an issue in the modern world because the Royal's don't have the power they once did. If they did, then I'm sure some would take issue.

lostalex · 09-01-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

That word is so misused it's untrue. It's not "racist" in the slightest. This is Britain, we're all British. One race.

I think I understand what you're trying to say, but racism is the wrong description.

And it's not an issue in the modern world because the Royal's don't have the power they once did. If they did, then I'm sure some would take issue.

If they don't have power then what's the point? You say they are just tourist attractions like Mickey mouse at disney world, so what makes them qualified to be entertainers? The propaganda is also ridiculous, watching the british media drool over prince william in a helicopter, ,looks more like russian propaganda over Putin. It's disgraceful.

Marsh. · 09-01-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

If they don't have power then what's the point you say they are just tourist attractions like Mickey mouse at disney world, so what makes them qualified to be entertainers? The propaganda is also ridiculous, watching the british media drool over price william in a helicopter, ,looks more like russian propaganda over Putin. It's disgraceful.

I'd say the worldwide press are more positive about the Royals than the British ones. That's more "fans" like any other "celebrity" for doing his charity work etc. But as for worldwide coverage that's part of their role, to keep British relations with other countries.

You say qualified? They are in the Royal bloodline dating back through history.

Except as the years have passed their importance is diminishing, I don't think the Monarchy will last another 100 years or less they'll be completely abolished come that time.

SoBig · 09-01-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

That word is so misused it's untrue. It's not "racist" in the slightest. This is Britain, we're all British. One race.

No. British is not a race.

Marsh. · 09-01-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SoBig

No. British is not a race.

Neither are separate family lines. As I said to lostalex, race isn't the issue.

Marsh. · 09-01-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

i never said British is a race, stop putting words in my mouth. Quote me if you can.

Ok...

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Originally Posted by lostalex

so you believe the Windsor bloodline is superior to everyone elses bloodlines?? seriously???

That is by far the most racist thing ive ever heard anyone say.

How is it racist?

lostalex · 09-01-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

Ok...

How is it racist?

umm, saying someone's bloodline is worthy of royalty is racist, it's the most obvious form of racism ever.

It obviously implies that every one else's bloodline is not good enuf to be royalty.

Exclusion based on your family bloodline is obviously racist.

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