[lostalex]

IF she would get paid more as an employee of poundland than she does on her benefits then she has every right to be angry.

How can Poundland get away with having non-paid volunteers if those volunteerrs arn't making minimum wage? That makes no sense. Sounds like she's making a good point.

This is the government/tax payers subsidizing Poundland for free labor.

Is Poundland a government business? or is it a private business?? I'm American so i don't know exactly what Poundland is, is it like the Salvation Army?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

IF she would get paid more as an employee of poundland than she does on her benefits then she has every right to be angry.

How can Poundland get away with having non-paid volunteers if those volunteerrs arn't making minimum wage? That makes no sense. Sounds like she's making a good point.

This is the government/tax payers subsidizing Poundland for free labor.

Is Poundland a government business? or is it a private business?? I'm American so i don't know exactly what Poundland is, is it like the Salvation Army?

Yeah exactly, and no Poundland is a private business and nothing like the Salvation Army it's just a cheap supermarket kind of place

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah exactly, and no Poundland is a private business and nothing like the Salvation Army it's just a cheap supermarket kind of place

They Have the Same Type Stores in America The 99Cent Stores
I shopped in them while I worked out there,
as well as Ralphs

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

IF she would get paid more as an employee of poundland than she does on her benefits then she has every right to be angry.

How can Poundland get away with having non-paid volunteers if those volunteerrs arn't making minimum wage? That makes no sense. Sounds like she's making a good point.

This is the government/tax payers subsidizing Poundland for free labor.

Is Poundland a government business? or is it a private business?? I'm American so i don't know exactly what Poundland is, is it like the Salvation Army?

Its the Same as 99c Stores


and her benefits are more than poundland basic wages

[lostalex]

If her benefits are more than the standard Poundland wages, then it sounds like it should be the Poundland employee's complaining, not this woman.

[MTVN]

Her benefits aren't more than the average Poundland employee, it would be the stupidest thing ever for JSA to ever be above the minimum wage

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Her benefits aren't more than the average Poundland employee, it would be the stupidest thing ever for JSA to ever be above the minimum wage

well Arista seems convinced they are. Arista why are you lying?

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well Arista seems convinced they are. Arista why are you lying?

I am Not

She Gets Paid

[Marsh.]

But if she was already doing voluntary work in an area she was wanting to enter as a full time career path then they should have let her be.

Forcing her to take a position they found for her seems ridiculous.

Although, I think suing ministers is too far.

[fruit_cake]

it doesn't seem right to me that Poundland are getting free labor.

[arista]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

it doesn't seem right to me that Poundland are getting free labor.

It was only for 2 weeks
Not a Problem.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by arista

It was only for 2 weeks
Not a Problem.

she could have come and swept my floors for two weeks. I'd have given her a better reference too

[Bollo]

I have no sympathy for her, I did an HND in fashion design which is notoriously hard to get into and I knew that when I did the course. I took another (completely unrelated) job to pay the bills and did my chosen subject in my spare time. People need to understand that if they want to work in the field of their choice they have to make sacrifices

[Scarlett.]

Surely the place she was volunteering at would let her do two damn weeks somewhere else to get benefits

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Surely the place she was volunteering at would let her do two damn weeks somewhere else to get benefits

Let's look at it this in a far more realistic way. She has chosen a Degree in a subject that clearly is not crying out for graduate workers -that was her choice to chose that type of career to get into - despite it not being an easy one, full of opportunities.

There are no details as to how long she works on a voluntary basis: it may not be the same full time regular hours that she will be expected to work in Poundland. For all we know, she could be volunteering for 2 hours a day from 1pm - 3pm - hardly good work experience in respect of mirroring full time working hours.

Fact and very much the reality is: she seems to expect to be able to accept JSA whilst waiting for her ideal job in her chosen sector to fall into her lap. Real life doesn't work that way - people have to take the jobs that they get, to get off the dole - even those with Degrees. That's life.

Time this little upstart realised that she may in fact have to accept a job such as the 2 week work experience in Poundland - for real if her ideal job in her ideal world doesn't fall into lap soon.

It's life. If she's so adverse to working in a job that isn't in her chosen field - regardless of what said job is - then she should not be entitled to any benefits if she's going to be so bloody fussy. She can take a job in the meantime and volunteer after her normal working hours (Ie: at weekends, days off etc)

She's at it. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Scarlett.]

I agree there, no one starts at the top

[Vicky.]

Missed the 2 week part of it..

So its totally useless really then...as no future employer is going to be impressed by a whole fortnight of work experience anyways :/

And I still think in the long term poundland will start sacking their 'lower down' workers (warehouse/shelf stackers)...the ones who would require little to no training in favour of getting more free workers. Its all about the profits

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Missed the 2 week part of it..

So its totally useless really then...as no future employer is going to be impressed by a whole fortnight of work experience anyways :/

And I still think in the long term poundland will start sacking their 'lower down' workers (warehouse/shelf stackers)...the ones who would require little to no training in favour of getting more free workers. Its all about the profits

Perhaps it's less the work experience from a future prospective employers' point of view: and more to get those who are not used to working full time hours, getting the feel of it, especially if they have become used to not having a strict routine. I still see nothing wrong with it.

As I say: not many of us went straight into our ideal jobs from the minute we began working - or in our ideal sector either.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Perhaps it's less the work experience from a future prospective employers' point of view: and more to get those who are not used to working full time hours, getting the feel of it, especially if they have become used to not having a strict routine. I still see nothing wrong with it.

As I say: not many of us went straight into our ideal jobs from the minute we began working - or in our ideal sector either.

And 2 whole weeks will do that?

A much better way to do this (not that the government actually think about things properly...all they care about is numbers) is make it a 3 month placement with a chance of a proper job at the end of it. And pay the person for doing it...maybe not minimum wage(though that would be preferable...as then they get used to having a REAL wage too...which would give incentive to work to most), but they SHOULD be better off than being on the dole. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to give stores such as poundland/tescos etc free work. They can afford to pay people.

Other than that, make the placements in places such as charity shops...who actually are crying out for workers and arent as rich as chainstores.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And 2 whole weeks will do that?

A much better way to do this (not that the government actually think about things properly...all they care about is numbers) is make it a 3 month placement with a chance of a proper job at the end of it. And pay the person for doing it...maybe not minimum wage(though that would be preferable...as then they get used to having a REAL wage too...which would give incentive to work to most), but they SHOULD be better off than being on the dole. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to give stores such as poundland/tescos etc free work. They can afford to pay people.

Other than that, make the placements in places such as charity shops...who actually are crying out for workers and arent as rich as chainstores.

I've no idea. What I do know is that regardless: she's moaning about being asked to do some work for 2 weeks - whilst receiving JSA.

I really don't see what the fuss is about.

If anything, it may make her realise just how hard people in these types of jobs actually have to work. Like I said, given her rather selective career path: she might have to take such a job permanently.

Hundreds, thousands of companies offer these type of placements - to Uni students etc: even if short term: I don't see the harm it will do her. It may not be of huge benefit, but it most certainly won't do her any hard to work full time for 10 whole days.

It's not exactly asking her to push the boat out. She comes across as it simply being 'demeaning' in her eyes.

[Vicky.]

Meh I dunno. It just seems so pointless. No-one will get anything out of it...besides big companies who get a bit of free labour(who do not NEED free labour)

The scroungers (who this is meant to punish) will find ways to get out of doing it, much like they know how to work the current system to their advantage, they always do. And even if they didnt, 2 weeks is nothing. It wont show them the benefits of working as opposed to being on the dole...as they arent getting paid (the main benefit of working being a decent wage rather than the 50 quid a week you get on jsa..I would say anyway)...it wont help them get a job in the future as 2 weeks work experience will make no difference...it wont really show them what its like to work full time, as its only 2 weeks worth, and if its anything like the other government courses you are allowed to have 2-4 days off during that 2 weeks too. So technically you could get away with doing only 6 days.

Its not about getting people back into work at all. Its about finding ways to twist the figures...and thats pretty much it :/

[Saph]

She needs to put some makeup on, get down to the stripclub and make some serious cash.

[arista]

Originally Posted by SaphLiike

She needs to put some makeup on, get down to the stripclub and make some serious cash.

No thats against her Left Wing Politics.


Sign Of The Times

[MTVN]

Thing is if Poundland want people to stack their shelves and sweep their floors than they should damn well have to pay them the minimum wage for it, not have the government subsidise unpaid labour for them which is just going to be to the detriment of their other employees, why would they take on more workers and give them a decent salary when the Coalition is giving them free labour on a plate.

If these 2 week placements really have to take place (and I don't think they should) than why not have them done somewhere more useful, in charity shops or helping out with other voluntary projects around community's or something like that

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Thing is if Poundland want people to stack their shelves and sweep their floors than they should damn well have to pay them the minimum wage for it, not have the government subsidise unpaid labour for them which is just going to be to the detriment of their other employees, why give your other workers a decent salary when the Coalition is giving you free labour on a plate.

If these 2 week placements really have to take place (and I don't think they should) than why not have them done somewhere more useful, in charity shops or helping out with other voluntary projects around community's or something like that

Most charity shops and community work requires people to have CRB's - that can take weeks - that could be an influencing factor.

I really don't see the issue at all.