According to statistics, 400,000 women each year are sexually assaulted in the UK.

We are a barbaric nation too.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

According to statistics, 400,000 women each year are sexually assaulted in the UK.

We are a barbaric nation too.

There are barbaric people in all nations. This was a horrific crime BUT similar things happen here too.

[Kazanne]

Seems she was with her boyfriend who was also stripped and thrown off the bus,and that poor girl must have suffered terribly,may she RIP
http://news.uk.msn.com/world/bus-rap...-murder-charge

[Kizzy]

Let's put this in perspective, it takes a certain type of person to commit rape.. let alone a serious sexual assault that I find it difficult to contemplate any human would inflict on another.
There were 6 men willing to subject a young stranger innocently travelling on the same bus to that...
So no, I don't think that we can just say abuse against women is worldwide.
Shark attack made an excellent point, the protesters may have been appealing to the western world with the use of placards in English.
Let's hope the deaths of these women serve as a catalyst for social and legal reform in India.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

According to statistics, 400,000 women each year are sexually assaulted in the UK.

We are a barbaric nation too.

No we ain't as we Jail them.


India has corruption in the Police
so many get away with their Evil rapes

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

No we ain't as we Jail them.


India has corruption in the Police
so many get away with their Evil rapes

I agree Arista and although we all know it goes on all over,we at least know(or hope) that if that had happened in this country that the scum would have been given a hefty sentence,I do think we are too soft here,but I'de like to think unlike the Indian police our 'men' would have been outraged.

Originally Posted by arista

No we ain't as we Jail them.


India has corruption in the Police
so many get away with their Evil rapes

So the difference between barbarism and an enlightened society, is not the amount and level of violent crime against women, but whether or not the police are corrupt?

Have you been paying attention to this phone hacking scandal? Our police are corrupt too, just in different ways.

I wish I could find a path through to your common sense.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by arista

No we ain't as we Jail them.


India has corruption in the Police
so many get away with their Evil rapes

Do we? Even in this country very few rape cases end in a conviction

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Do we? Even in this country very few rape cases end in a conviction

its better than India

[AnnieK]

I have been through a rape court case with a family member....she was warned all the way through that it was highly likely to NOT end in conviction even though when I arrived at her house the night in question she was bruised and bloodied and there was lots of physical evidence it wouldn't matter. The CPS don't allow many cases to get to court and the ones that do have high non conviction rates. The person was found not guilty due to irregularities in the attending police officers notes....it was a disgrace. I saw a once vibrant girl reduced to a mere shadow of her former self, pushed to drinking and depression because of the justice system in THIS country. I feel terribly for the girl in this story but KNOW there are some sick sexual predators in this country too.

Originally Posted by arista

its better than India

That's not how you measure the humanity of our own society.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

So the difference between barbarism and an enlightened society, is not the amount and level of violent crime against women, but whether or not the police are corrupt?

Have you been paying attention to this phone hacking scandal? Our police are corrupt too, just in different ways.

I wish I could find a path through to your common sense.

I can't speak for arista but yes, I would suggest that it is not the amount or level of violent crime that separates barbarism and a civilized society, but the laws and repercussions for those who commit these acts that those who make the laws have deemed indictable offences.
Indians want an ordered society, expecting women to marry their attackers to retain their honour is not the way to accomplish this.

I too have been involved in rape trials both as a witness and a jury member, the victim in both cases was treated sensitively and respectfully.
The women of India deserve that too.

[Kazanne]

This is not just a 'rape' case it is now murder,the girl probably would have survived had they not inserted the iron bar and ripped her insides,and beat her,I think this is what makes this case so horrible,it IS barbaric and should not be tolerated anywhere and I am sure it would not have been here.

[arista]

6 Evil Men
a Barbaric Nation

[Six accused of murder as victim of horrific Indian gang rape
dies 'peacefully' in Singapore hospital after
suffering heart-attack and organ failure]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2GSeOGVQT

[Marcus.]

Originally Posted by arista

6 Evil Men
a Barbaric Nation

[Six accused of murder as victim of horrific Indian gang rape
dies 'peacefully' in Singapore hospital after
suffering heart-attack and organ failure]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2GSeOGVQT

the need to have what coming to them

[bbfan1991]

Heartbreaking story. RIP to that poor woman and I cannot imagine what trauma she must have gone through after being gang raped.

I hope the vile culprits recieve a long prison sentence.

[Cherie]

If we are comparing barbaric deeds, Does anyone recall the case about the girl who was short 10p for her fare home on the night bus who having been turned away by the driver was then raped as she walked home?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If we are comparing barbaric deeds, Does anyone recall the case about the girl who was short 10p for her fare home on the night bus who having been turned away by the driver was then raped as she walked home?

That is also awful,did the girl die?I havent heard of this.

[Marcus.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That is also awful,did the girl die?I havent heard of this.

kaz yes she did

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That is also awful,did the girl die?I havent heard of this.

Here's a link Kaz, and no she wasn't killed thankfully.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ny-policy.html

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's not how you measure the humanity of our own society.

Watch the News
its the main Story
Raped by 6 men then a Metal bar rammed up her
then chucked off the bus naked.
She died in hospital.


That is Nothing like the UK.



India is a Barbaric Nation
Utter Fact

[Marcus.]

Originally Posted by arista

Watch the News
its the main Story
Raped by 6 men then a Metal bar rammed up her
then chucked off the bus naked.
She died in hospital.


That is Nothing like the UK.



India is a Barbaric Nation
Utter Fact

yeah it sounds like that

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by arista

Watch the News
its the main Story
Raped by 6 men then a Metal bar rammed up her
then chucked off the bus naked.
She died in hospital.


That is Nothing like the UK.



India is a Barbaric Nation
Utter Fact

I feel terrible arguing with you on this point as it was a horrific case but it is not alone....there was a story here a couple of years ago where a girl was gang raped in her own home whilst her boyfriend was tortured in the next room...that was in Clapham....these cases happen everywhere in the world which is very sad, not just in India and countries like that.

As they have made arrests in this case I hope justice is served quickly....

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I can't speak for arista but yes, I would suggest that it is not the amount or level of violent crime that separates barbarism and a civilized society, but the laws and repercussions for those who commit these acts that those who make the laws have deemed indictable offences.
Indians want an ordered society, expecting women to marry their attackers to retain their honour is not the way to accomplish this.

I too have been involved in rape trials both as a witness and a jury member, the victim in both cases was treated sensitively and respectfully.
The women of India deserve that too.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. It seems as thought this case could finally be the straw that breaks the camels back. I don't think India is anymore of a barbaric country than most, but different countries have to reach their own enlightenment, and that change has to come from within.

We have to allow countries to get there own their own, and it seems as though recently, people are starting to speak out. You know me, and my views on everyone in society having a say, and being a voice, but the conditions that lead to men to commit crimes like this needs to be addressed, and the ancient caste system consigned to the history books.

The fact we put these people behind bars, doesn't separate us from India in my book. Humans are humans. If you are going to gang rape someone, and then further attack them, a 20 year prison sentence isn't going to dissuade them from doing it.

[Livia]

I think the main difference between the way rape is dealt with in this country and the way it is dealt with in India is the place of women in society here against the place of women in society there. Especially women from the poorest sections of society, or lower castes.