[Nedusa]

Why does everyone have to be so bloody politically correct ? Why can't on this occasion in light of the shocking murder of this serving soldier can somebody just put their hand up in support by wearing these badges.

He was a serving soldier who represented this country and I think we all owe it to ourselves to make our own personal gestures to the memory of this man.

Sometimes the PC brigade need to **** and let people grieve..!!!

[Kizzy]

I don't think he is and idiot, far from it. He is showing his support and respect (unlike the PM).
It is a lot of jobsworths just trying to look important by doing this, let him work in the non food prep area for a specific period of time... fgs, such a lot of bureaucratic mumbo jumbo!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't think he is and idiot, far from it. He is showing his support and respect (unlike the PM).
It is a lot of jobsworths just trying to look important by doing this, let him work in the non food prep area for a specific period of time... fgs, such a lot of bureaucratic mumbo jumbo!

I don't think he's an idiot at all, he may have an attitude but he has to be given the benefot of the doubt that he wanted to show some token of support to the help for heroes and outrage as to this horrific murder.

As you say too, he could have had other duties to do other than food preparation.
I have seen worse than a poppy or a badge on and anyway they wear badges in any case with their names on.

I am very fussy though as to buying food prepeared there and then,espcially at Asda,(although I know and accept this was Morrisons), for instance, ever since I was at the counter for a Pizza with your own toppings on.
Where an assistant had a cold and had a tissue beside her which she constantly used to wipe her nose while still preparing the toppings.
Needless to say, I walked off not buying one.

I think on balance the company is right, however in the instance above I posted as to ASDA and the pizza's, I wonder why all stores don't remove people with colds from all food preparation too.
A badge alongside their own name badge too does seem a bit of a fuss over little, not so the bracelet though.

[Niall]

I don't see why he felt the need to wear the badge really. If I were him, I would just donate to the charity in my own time and be content with the knowledge that I contributed to their cause. I'm sure that would support and help the armed forces much more than wearing a paper flower and then acting like an ass about being told to take it off. Moron.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niall

I don't see why he felt the need to wear the badge really. If I were him, I would just donate to the charity in my own time and be content with the knowledge that I contributed to their cause. I'm sure that would support and help the armed forces much more than wearing a paper flower and then acting like and ass about being told to take it off. Moron.

I have come across a lot of people buying and wearing help for heroes things now though Niall since this happened.
I have seen others taking flowers to war memorials too and also making donations to help the heroes.
People all have their own ways of expressing their feelings as to such an outrage as this brutal murder was.
I don't personally see the need to wear a name badge in a food preparation area either but the stores demand that is the case.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niall

I don't see why he felt the need to wear the badge really. If I were him, I would just donate to the charity in my own time and be content with the knowledge that I contributed to their cause. I'm sure that would support and help the armed forces much more than wearing a paper flower and then acting like and ass about being told to take it off. Moron.

..I agree Niall, and in doing what he has done and in the way he has done it, imo, it doesn't show respect at all..but just tries to detract attention for himself..even if he at first didn't intend that, it's what he's making it to be now...

[Jords]

Disgusting decision. Why is dress code so serious in such a job, jeez.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jords

Disgusting decision. Why is dress code so serious in such a job, jeez.

Its Normal
we must have Rules
or you will get confusion

[Kizzy]

Of course they do, they have been wearing the bands and all kinds of supportive charity paraphernalia for years, this is really quite insensitive in my view as he has friends serving.
It states in the letter that certain employees are permitted to wear them, so I can't understand why they took it so far,. It's true that most buy them and discard them, it's nice to see he wore his with pride. I hope morrisons are shamed into giving a donation.

[Shaun]

another example of the hysterical media overreacting to something

they might have been showing respect to Lee Rigby, but they weren't showing respect to their bosses by ignoring them.

but no, because a dead soldier is involved we all have to get involved and wound up and emotional

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shaun

another example of the hysterical media overreacting to something

they might have been showing respect to Lee Rigby, but they weren't showing respect to their bosses by ignoring them.

but no, because a dead soldier is involved we all have to get involved and wound up and emotional

Very True Shaun


Its so simple he broke the rules

[Kizzy]

"As a company we encourage store colleagues to show their support for the Royal British Legion by wearing poppies in October and November.

"We currently ask that colleagues adhere to a company dress code which precludes bracelets and pins. However, we have reviewed these guidelines and colleagues working in non-fresh food preparation areas will now be permitted to wear a registered charity wristband."

So basically it's not against company policy, they just felt it was the wrong time of year, and the guy was in the wrong part of the store to be supportive?

[Ammi]

....hmm, I don’t know if this is a very good analogy but in schools, there are rules about information given to parents..things that are being dealt with and would only inflame a ‘situation’ if a parent was told something by anyone other than the head, for instance...every school worker is aware of these rules and knows that there will be repercussions if they are broken....

..I recall a ‘case/incident’ not long ago..(in the media..).. when a midday worker related something to a parent about their child and was dismissed or suspended because she broke those rules...she could argue perhaps that she did it for the right reasons and ‘with concern for the child..)..but it wasn’t her responsibility to make that decision..she knew she was breaking a Company Policy rule, which will inevitably incur sanctions... it doesn’t matter whether she thinks that rule is stupid or whatever..she agreed to it when accepting the job and she can’t bend it if it doesn’t fit with what she wants to do...if she felt strongly that something was wrong, then there were other channels she could use to state her feelings, there is never only one way....but she opted for the one she knew she shouldn’t be doing....

..but what’s worse for me, is that very little was said about the ‘incident’ that actually caused her actions..and presumably, it resulted from an unhappy child/maybe bullying..?...isn’t that what’s more important and wasn’t that ‘the point’ in the first place...she had full control and responsibility for her actions and the result...the child hadn’t, presumably...and I can’t feel emotional enough about what happened to Lee Rigby...it’s beyond words what those men did to him... what his family must be feeling right now, I can’t even imagine and none of them created their own situation..that’s where my focus is...and in comparison to that, do I care about the job of a Morrison worker and whether he’s right or wrong because of his choice to break a policy rule...?...no, really I don’t because as this thread shows, it then becomes about him and Morrisons and who’s right and who’s wrong and not about Lee or respect at all....so however well-intentioned he may have been, he’s made it all about himself....


..was the policy right, was it wrong..are they being difficult/awkward..is he being difficult/awkward..?..I'm going to bow out of this thread now because none of this has got anything to do with that poor soldier or his family, imo....

[Kizzy]

He didn't intentionally make this about him..
All he wanted to do was honour the guy and his serving friends, the analogy is not relevant.
He was well intentioned yes, and morrisons are being awkward. In all seriousness it has everything to do with Lee Rigby and every other lad who it seems to me is buried and forgotten about rather too quickly.

[Tom4784]

He did make it about him though, When you get paid to do something you got to abide by the rules, it wasn't like he turned up and they sent him home, he was told not to wear the items but he chose to anyway. He probably saw a bigger pay cheque in kicking up a fuss and going to the tabloids over it.

I kind of hate people that wear Charity merchandise anyway, they are always full of themselves. 'Oh look at me showing support! Aren't I kind and good? Aren't you lucky to be in the presence of a charitable god such as I?' Ugh, I make a private donation and keep it that way. The best deeds are the ones left unspoken.

[Kizzy]

It was a power trip by the many 'floor managers' in the store. They are shifting goalposts with the company policy on the issue, and there was no need for the overreaction to suspend him over this matter.
It was insensitive and heavyhanded, I very much doubt that he was waving the badge under the noses of shoppers and other staff. And those who do donate and wear the bands are not in my opinion any more or less gracious than those who donate privately.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I agree Niall, and in doing what he has done and in the way he has done it, imo, it doesn't show respect at all..but just tries to detract attention for himself..even if he at first didn't intend that, it's what he's making it to be now...

Exactly, he was just attention seeking. To me, it just suggests that he was doing it to show off to everyone else. If he really cared, a small donation in private would have satisfied him more than enough. Getting all sanctimonious about it will do nothing to help any soldiers.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was a power trip by the many 'floor managers' in the store. They are shifting goalposts with the company policy on the issue, and there was no need for the overreaction to suspend him over this matter.
It was insensitive and heavyhanded, I very much doubt that he was waving the badge under the noses of shoppers and other staff. And those who do donate and wear the bands are not in my opinion any more or less gracious than those who donate privately.

It was a health and safety issue, he refused them so he got the boot. He's there to work not to show off how much of a good charitable person he is and that everyone should stand up and take notice. If he wants to wear that stuff he can wear it while he's on the way to the Job Centre.

Rules are rules.

[Kizzy]

He is a tiil op also, they are permitted to wear them, the manager too the rules a little to literally.
There is little empathy for the depth of feeling that this horror invoked in some, especially those with serving friends or family. I am glad he has the support of so many. Sometimes it is good to vocalise your feelings on an issue, even if it means challenging authority a little.

[Ammi]

....I will make one last post in here because my post/analogy is extremely valid...there is very little mention of Lee Rigby, what happened to him or his families suffering and pain... the focus is Morrisons, Adam Austin and whether the policy is right or wrong..when he chose to make his statement in the way that he did, what he was really doing is sticking two fingers up to his employers and saying this is how I want to do it so therefore I will, regardless of your policies or health and safety..instead of... I would like to show my respect while at work, what would be an acceptable way to do that, which doesn’t break company policy, perhaps as a store/company, we could all do something together..?....that for me would be the more respectful way and keeping the focus, very rightly were it should be at the moment..on the brutal slaying of Lee and how his family are feeling right now....he chose to defy and he then chose to post Morrison’s letter on the internet, inviting publicity... Lee Rigby had no choices at all...none of this should be about Adam Austin, but intentionally or not he has made it about himself....and regardless of the outcome of this, I have no respect for what he did at all...I have respect for his reasons if they are genuine and I have no reason to believe they are not...but how he chose to demonstrate it was wrong, there is a right and a wrong way in everything....and this is what often happens when you choose not to follow procedures..which are there for a reason and not just words on a page....

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....I will make one last post in here because my post/analogy is extremely valid...there is very little mention of Lee Rigby, what happened to him or his families suffering and pain... the focus is Morrisons, Adam Austin and whether the policy is right or wrong..when he chose to make his statement in the way that he did, what he was really doing is sticking two fingers up to his employers and saying this is how I want to do it so therefore I will, regardless of your policies or health and safety..instead of... I would like to show my respect while at work, what would be an acceptable way to do that, which doesn’t break company policy, perhaps as a store/company, we could all do something together..?....that for me would be the more respectful way and keeping the focus, very rightly were it should be at the moment..on the brutal slaying of Lee and how his family are feeling right now....he chose to defy and he then chose to post Morrison’s letter on the internet, inviting publicity... Lee Rigby had no choices at all...none of this should be about Adam Austin, but intentionally or not he has made it about himself....and regardless of the outcome of this, I have no respect for what he did at all...I have respect for his reasons if they are genuine and I have no reason to believe they are not...but how he chose to demonstrate it was wrong, there is a right and a wrong way in everything....and this is what often happens when you choose not to follow procedures..which are there for a reason and not just words on a page....

Exactly. I agree completely, very well put Ammi

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....I will make one last post in here because my post/analogy is extremely valid...there is very little mention of Lee Rigby, what happened to him or his families suffering and pain... the focus is Morrisons, Adam Austin and whether the policy is right or wrong..when he chose to make his statement in the way that he did, what he was really doing is sticking two fingers up to his employers and saying this is how I want to do it so therefore I will, regardless of your policies or health and safety..instead of... I would like to show my respect while at work, what would be an acceptable way to do that, which doesn’t break company policy, perhaps as a store/company, we could all do something together..?....that for me would be the more respectful way and keeping the focus, very rightly were it should be at the moment..on the brutal slaying of Lee and how his family are feeling right now....he chose to defy and he then chose to post Morrison’s letter on the internet, inviting publicity... Lee Rigby had no choices at all...none of this should be about Adam Austin, but intentionally or not he has made it about himself....and regardless of the outcome of this, I have no respect for what he did at all...I have respect for his reasons if they are genuine and I have no reason to believe they are not...but how he chose to demonstrate it was wrong, there is a right and a wrong way in everything....and this is what often happens when you choose not to follow procedures..which are there for a reason and not just words on a page....

Well that's what it boils down to, rubbishing him and his intentions won't change the situation. We have no reason to think he did this with selfish intentions, it was simply an incident that escalated too far.
With the amount of managers involved you would have thought a more amicable solution could have been reached.

[bbfan1991]

Morrisons worker reinstated after Help for Heroes row

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-22718935

Good.

[Marcus.]

thank god for that he should be saked

[joeysteele]

I am really pleased to see a big company like Morrisons climb down from this and admit to an overreaction in reality.

I always believe in most things there can be a compromise and to see Morrisons say that they got the balance wrong and are re-instating the member of staff with no further issue to settle is good to see.

People can react oddly and different from the norm when something as horrific and tragic occurs like this atrocious murder of Lee Rigby.
I feel really angry too since I have Cousins in the forces and if I wanted to wear something but was told not to for a petty rule, when I see so much else that is very wrong with staff in supermarkets, I would likely get more angry.

I said in my first post,I could sort of see both sides but that some tolerance could have been the order of the day after this tragic loss of a Soldiers life.
Better late than never though, it seems Morrisons have realised that now and absolutely full credit to them for doing so and saying so.
So it seems a sensible and good compromise was available all the time as to this.

Rules are rules of course,sometimes though they can be relaxed even for a very short time or in a 'unique' particular instance.