[fingers]

The difference between clinical death and biological death is small: just a few crucial minutes, in fact. Clinical death is the point at which a person's heart stops beating. At that time, breathing and blood circulation stop. Biological death occurs some four to six minutes later, when the brain cells die from lack of oxygen.

When brain death occurs, all neurological functions irreversibly cease. The brain simply cannot survive for very long without oxygen. When oxygen is withheld beyond that six-minute threshold, brain death is the result. The reason the brain-death clock starts ticking down once the heart stops is because cardiac activity is the whole ballgame for our bodies, and brains. When the heart stops, oxygen cannot be transported to the brain and the brain dies from lack of it. The legal time of death is noted at the moment in which a doctor determines that a patient's entire brain has ceased to function.

It's still possible to resuscitate a person who has undergone clinical death and keep them alive by artificial means of life support, such as a respirator. However, when biological death has been established and the brain has been too long deprived of oxygen, resuscitation is impossible. Often, at that point, another clock starts ticking away in the background: the clock for organ donation.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You can be named 'clinically dead' and then revived so Jemima wasn't enitrely wrong, but the way she talked about it gave the impression that her daughter had completely passed away

This.

Jemima was a complete twat tonight and only brought that incident into the conversation to get one up on Jacke saying Charlie had witnessed her grandmothers death and basically make herself the centre of attention again.

She's the type of person that would lie about anything to make her sound better than you, if you said you ate 2 sausages for breakfast you could pretty much guarantee Jemima would say she had ate 3.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You can be named 'clinically dead' and then revived so Jemima wasn't enitrely wrong, but the way she talked about it gave the impression that her daughter had completely passed away

Yeah exactly, I don't know how Jackie stayed so calm either, I would have slapped her if she was banging on about my daughter like that

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly, I don't know how Jackie stayed so calm either, I would have slapped her if she was banging on about my daughter like that

hmm I'm not convinced that would be the best thing for Charlie, on the one hand we're all supposed to be up in arms because Hazel was offended and shown on national TV that she may or may not have had some involvement in a suicide, yet when Charlie's life and medical history are splashed all over our screens, we are supposed to think it's all fine because it's her mother who does it..? I don't buy that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

hmm I'm not convinced that would be the best thing for Charlie, on the one hand we're all supposed to be up in arms because Hazel was offended and shown on national TV that she may or may not have had some involvement in a suicide, yet when Charlie's life and medical history are splashed all over our screens, we are supposed to think it's all fine because it's her mother who does it..? I don't buy that.

I don't think "we're all supposed to be up in arms" about what Charlie said

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly, I don't know how Jackie stayed so calm either, I would have slapped her if she was banging on about my daughter like that

LOL Oh dear what a carry on !!! One over- protective mother , not being listened to( apart from petty one upmanship purposes) and a self obsessed screeching ,drama queen, who was also clearly NOT ANNOYED by the noms LOL. It must have been pretty embarrassing for Charlie. She is 26 not a toddler. Jeremiah I think has now guaranteed her exit and if that was what they have had to put up with for over a week I am not surprised she is up for eviction.

[Blue Cadillac]

I found this, if it helps:

"Death was historically believed to be an event that coincided with the onset of clinical death. It is now understood that death is a series of physical events, not a single one, and determination of permanent death is dependent on other factors beyond simple cessation of breathing and heartbeat".

Since Jemima's daughter was described as having stopped breathing, one could argue that permanent death had not taken place, and that it was more the case that she'd stopped breathing, but other physical events had not occurred in order to determine death.

[Annemarie]

Jemima you are not in junior school don't dramatize and make competitions out of yeah well my daughter died beat that! How pathetically childish!.

[BigSister]

haha I knew someone would make a thread out of this and jemama was really annoying me tonight

[MatthewS]

Jemima did herself no favours with that rant to Jackie tonight...

[babybella1972]

Originally Posted by MilkMaid

death [deth] (noun) 1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

Dan is generally pompous and pious and Jemima isn't a racist BUT tonight he was right and she was really annoying!

I totally agree ... how to stretch the reality according to Jemima ... the conversation went round in a circle again and SUPRISE ... it was all about Jemima ....

[Jords]

I think youll find Jem claimed her daughter died not deathed

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Jords

I think youll find Jem claimed her daughter died not deathed

sorry, you lost me there!

[Jords]

Originally Posted by fingers

sorry, you lost me there!

Somebody's death is their final moment of living. If Jemima said "My daughter's death..." this would imply that she died and stayed dead as the definition suggests.

Because Jem said "My daughter died..." it implied she stopped living without knowing the time frame.

died, dy·ing (dng), dies
1. To cease living; become dead; expire.

Her daughter ceased living for just over a minute.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Jords

Somebody's death is their final moment of living. If Jemima said "My daughter's death..." this would imply that she died and stayed dead as the definition suggests.

Because Jem said "My daughter died..." it implied she stopped living without knowing the time frame.



Her daughter ceased living for just over a minute.

What gobbledygook is that?

[Bluerang1]

Originally Posted by Jords

I think youll find Jem claimed her daughter died not deathed

you win.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MilkMaid

death [deth] (noun) 1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

Dan is generally pompous and pious and Jemima isn't a racist BUT tonight he was right and she was really annoying!

Spot on, the term Jemima should have used was her child arrested.yes the heart may have been stopped for a minute or more but you are not even classed as dead until over 3 minutes or more have passed.
It was I think anyway, an attempt to turn a traumatic event around to be all about her.

[cookiemonster]

it was. if it was that traumatic you don't bring it up in an argument to be used a trump card, sorry

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

You can die and be revived.

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Yes you can.

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Yes, you really can.

Wow, what a convincing case you make. I have no option but to believe you.

[cookiemonster]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Wow, what a convincing case you make. I have no option but to believe you.

[Roy Mars III]

[Marsh.]

She exclaimed her daughter died and allowed everyone to presume that was the case, her daughter dropped dead in front of her and only later mentioned she revived her.

Even poor Gina had to clarify "So she's not dead?" after she'd been crying.

Every conversation she has, it's a constant oneupmanship with her. So self centred. Even when it came to someone mentioning they had a friend who surfs, she said "my friend surfs all the time... He's blind". She's full of bull****.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by fingers

What gobbledygook is that?

Only trying to help apologies if you dont understand

Originally Posted by 08marsh

She exclaimed her daughter died and allowed everyone to presume that was the case, her daughter dropped dead in front of her and only later mentioned she revived her.

Even poor Gina had to clarify "So she's not dead?" after she'd been crying.

Every conversation she has, it's a constant oneupmanship with her. So self centred.

That was exactly the problem, not the used of "died"

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Jords

Only trying to help apologies if you dont understand



That was exactly the problem, not the used of "died"

Who invented the word "deathed"?

[Jords]

Originally Posted by fingers

Who invented the word "deathed"?

That is exactly my point. The OP is a definition of 'death', Jemima said 'died'.

Anyway this is pretty boring.