[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Why don't you just ask yourself one question, would you like to be around someone who quite clearly completely lied about who they said they were and tried to pull the wool over your eyes?

No, you would tell them to do one. That's why he can't win with the housemates he's completely untrustworthy.

Thanks. Thats all I asked.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thanks. Thats all I asked.

Do you expect him to redeem himself or something. Would you trust him?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Do you expect him to redeem himself or something. Would you trust him?

I wouldn't trust him no, but I wouldnt hold something against someone forever either. In a BB situation, you expect a bit of BS. I definitely wouldn't assume that everything he did was a gameplan or everything he said was lies..thats for sure. And thats what the HMs seem to be doing (bar Gina)

Redeem himself? Does it matter? I was only asking if there was any way he could win, thats all. And it appears he cant, as I suspected. So it doesn;t matter what he does, he will get **** for it anyway

[joeysteele]

I don't really know, my own take on Dexter and those scenario's are that he tires to avoid confrontations but they find him.

Like in the first week, he had an issue with Dan as to Michael but couldn't say it out loud,he chose to initially do it anonymously although admitting it later after it was fully known what had been said.
Of course we had the awkward explanation to Dan of why he did that which again showed up his desire to prefer to avoid confrontational situations.

I have watched him with the other confrontations too, he is there as it goes on usually but says nothing,takes no sides, waiting instead to go to whoever is alone afterwards then getting further info as to it that way.

That may well be a confidence thing, that he feels unable to take on anyone in heavy confrontational situations. I do think it has contributed to his lack of support from the other housemates however.

Being fair, that is not me criticising him for being like that, I see lots of people who avoid confrontation but do have a side they are on,however they only reveal that to the person they agree with rather than stand up for them at the time.

As for the money thing, well he obviously could have taken a much larger amount and it was his saying that he didn't see the Ł99,000 board that made his argument sound weak and suspect as to that issue.

It is though really hard to work out what Dexter is thinking or why he does things and maybe that is in fact the only sort of gameplan he has, nothing wrong with having a gameplan at all.
However whatever his may be,it hasn't worked that well for him with the other housemates.
It has though seen him survive so many evictions and so clearly has not too badly alienated the public who vote.

I have said from week 2, I take all he says with a pinch of salt.
Rightly or wrongly that may be how the other housemates see things as to him too which will more than likely reduce their trust,if any, in him.

Can he win with the housemates is the question, I'd say probably not but that shouldn't really bother him, he was in effect ostracised and got at from the early days for several weeks by the others, he owes them not a thing really.
He clearly has however had far more success with the public who vote though rather than the housemates and that does have to be to his credit to be fair.

[karezza]

Good will prevail - Dexter will win.

[MTVN]

Good point in the first question, it's kinda strange that Charlie was so desperate to go last when it could have meant her leaving being unavoidable and when she was supposedly so adamant that she was always going to take the highest figure available

[MTVN]

It all started I think when he put that anonymous letter in telling Dan to leave Michael alone, and then only owned up to it in a desperate attempt to save himself

It was a fair tactic but did make him seem a bit of a sneaky **** and it backfired when it turned out he'd thrown his lot in with the guy who was an actor and deceiving them all, and not Dan who seemed really vindicated when Michael was unveiled

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It all started I think when he put that anonymous letter in telling Dan to leave Michael alone, and then only owned up to it in a desperate attempt to save himself

It was a fair tactic but did make him seem a bit of a sneaky **** and it backfired when it turned out he'd thrown his lot in with the guy who was an actor and deceiving them all, and not Dan who seemed really vindicated when Michael was unveiled

Agree with this. That brought on Sallies snake rant, which stuck in everyones heads too.

Still think its silly to assume everything he does (or doesnt do..) is a gameplan though

[Vicky.]

And that has What to do with my post?^

I dont care about his excuses, I was simply saying IF he had picked the highest one, he would still have been in the wrong in the eyes of the housemates. Well.. until the twist came about anyway, in which case Charlie would find some way to blame him for her having to chose sophie or gina

(And I thought the twins picked the third highest?)

[jet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

And that has What to do with my post?^

I dont care about his excuses, I was simply saying IF he had picked the highest one, he would still have been in the wrong in the eyes of the housemates. Well.. until the twist came about anyway, in which case Charlie would find some way to blame him for her having to chose sophie or gina

(And I thought the twins picked the third highest?)

Well excuse me for breathing. You had a whole paragraph about Charlie with a question at the end I was was pointing out it was a moot point anyway. I'll avoid responding to you in future in case it doesn't meet with your stringent criteria.
BTW the twins picked the 3rd highest only because Dexter picked the lowest.
Someone on DS posted a screencap of 98250 on the board.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jet

Well excuse me for breathing. You had a whole paragraph about Charlie with a question at the end I was was pointing out it was a moot point anyway. I'll avoid responding to you in future in case it doesn't meet with your stringent criteria.
BTW the twins picked the 3rd highest only because Dexter picked the lowest.
Someone on DS posted a screencap of 98250 on the board.

Ah right. I thought they were trying to get the cash and leave(as they asked this a couple of times when picking) but had been too thick to do the maths properly Seems they did think it through properly but it didnt work due to Dexters decision

[jet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah right. I thought they were trying to get the cash and leave(as they asked this a couple of times when picking) but had been too thick to do the maths properly Seems they did think it through properly but it didnt work due to Dexters decision

They wanted the cash alright. Joe was desperate to leave - or so he said.
Hope this post meets with your approval.

[Madlyaddicted]

Well said. Anyone that doesn't like him will says its a game plan. I like him and want him to win. Most entertaining without being really nasty to anyone, unlike gina.

[Vanessa]

Dexter is still being picked on, but he's dealing with it very well. Thank god for Gina. She really helped him when everyone was slagging him off on live feed. Dexter to win! He's a lovely guy. So what if he has a gameplan? Aaron had a gameplan and we still loved him to bits!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Dexter is still being picked on, but he's dealing with it very well. Thank god for Gina. She really helped him when everyone was slagging him off on live feed. Dexter to win! He's a lovely guy. So what if he has a gameplan? Aaron had a gameplan and we still loved him to bits!

Speak for yourself!

[jet]

I fail to see where in the last 6 weeks Dexter has been picked on. He had that thing with Callum (and I was rooting for Dexter there btw) - but so did Hazel with Gina, and Wolfy with Gina, and Callum with Jackie and Charlie with Hazel etc etc. Very few have escaped with no conflict or being talked about.
Gina has been nasty and spiteful to many of the HM's, but not with Dexter.
Where are all these examples of people being awful to Dexter? I think the HM's don't trust him at all but they have been pretty accepting of him considering that fact.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by jet

I fail to see where in the last 6 weeks Dexter has been picked on. He had that thing with Callum (and I was rooting for Dexter there btw) - but so did Hazel with Gina, and Wolfy with Gina, and Callum with Jackie and Charlie with Hazel etc etc. Very few have escaped with no conflict or being talked about.
Gina has been nasty and spiteful to many of the HM's, but not with Dexter.
Where are all these examples of people being awful to Dexter? I think the HM's don't trust him at all but they have been pretty accepting of him considering that fact.

The only thing I can honestly think of that would constitute proper bullying would be early on in the show with the face to face noms where everybody laid into him. That was harsh.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Madlyaddicted

Well said. Anyone that doesn't like him will says its a game plan. I like him and want him to win. Most entertaining without being really nasty to anyone, unlike gina.

They all have a gameplan, but only Dexter is considered nasty for it.

[kate2013]

I have no idea what this thread is about because I dont understand it, but in relation from my understanding
1) Charlie played rock paper scissors to go last. She did not go last by default. Therefore, in her mind she could only pick the lowest number, she chose Ł99,000, and leave the house. So no I dont think any of them would of clapped at Charlie leaving the house with Ł99,000 of the prize fund.

As for everything else I dont care if Dexter wins over the housemates or has a failed gameplan, and has his lies exposed. I feel I know more about him as a housemate than any of the others. He is a liar, he is a ridiculous dancer, he wears that onesie most if the time only washed once, his pre BB life is contraversial and immoral, he is self depricating, he is diverse, damaged, and the most interesting housemate in there. He is the worst person at deception because his lies and gameplan has been exposed for them reasons i trust him more than the others, I know what im getting with Dexter and he is entertaining. The others are so guarded and so busy at pointing fingers they will never be exposed, they fall flat as characters because they risk nothing. I am no fool everyone has a shadow side. Better the devil you know than the one you dont.

Dexter to win.

[Tom4784]

He deserves the win more than anyone else, he's been ganged up on from Day 1 and has survived eviction almost every week and has outplayed everyone in the process.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He deserves the win more than anyone else, he's been ganged up on from Day 1 and has survived eviction almost every week and has outplayed everyone in the process.

They're still ganging up on him. But he's so strong even i'm shocked!

[edemobong]

If he was honest through out like Gina was then he would stand a chance. From the beginnig Gina and Dexter where the most hated in the House. Why the whole House is more accepting and comfortable with Gina and not with Dexter is because Gina has been very honest and the housemates see this, but Dexter has been playing a very obvious game, he changes personality, says he would do one thing but does the other, says stuff but his actions dont match up with what he says. That is why people are more weary of him because he is a game player, even his supporters cannot disagree with that, and as a result he can never be trusted.

[the_answers]

1. Nothing. It's his "bad boy" image to take the money and my guess is, he knew he wouldn't get it. (or it was just a no lose scenario if he did). His whole gameplan was to go for broke as much as possible.

2. "in my opinion they would have turned on him, and the whole thing would somehow have ended up being his fault, and part of his gameplan." - agree.

3. "shouldnt have got involved in the first place(which I agree with)"
Well he wanted his "showmance" (even with Hazel) and who's to say it hasn't or won't help him ? Perhaps 99Kgate was the killer but he's not to know the public wouldn't LOVE him for being the loveable rogue. So much of people's success with the GBP depends how it's spun to the masses.

4. No and the reason is this. Sam's doing it because he thinks Dex is favourite to win and Dex isn't reacting because he thinks Sam ISN'T the favourte to win (after coming 3rd in the vote). So unfortunately Dex will see him as no threat but Sam, thinking he's got nothing to lose, may put his foot in it anyway as the favourite !

[JTM45]

Yes, he can Win, without a shadow of a doubt!!!!
Sadly though BB probably won't allow him or Gina to win. They want the bores like Sam (ultimate bore and non-contestant!) or the Twins (horrible pair of twats who just fake poor comedy skits!) to win obviously.