[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Very sadly because this is an awful case,I think I have to agree with all you say above Nedusa, I would love to think it was wrong but this incident has stunk for me all though.

What puzzles me as well is why nobody in the police and security services don't push the McCanns more on this area, everyone in the mainstream press just keep repeating the same kidnap theory...???

[Z]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

What puzzles me as well is why nobody in the police and security services don't push the McCanns more on this area, everyone in the mainstream press just keep repeating the same kidnap theory...???

That really puzzles me as well. Obviously we're not privy to the ins and outs of the investigation because some things have to stay quiet but I just find it a bit ridiculous that they've more or less been shielded from it because they've built up this huge press campaign.

[Kazanne]

I hope the police are doing the same for Ben Needham and others that have gone missing

[Kizzy]

Wow it would be wonderful to find her.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Josy

Read more here
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world...rested-2366183


Would be one of the biggest shocks ever if this girl had to be found alive.

Where are you getting this information from ? I have not heard of any arrests being made in connection with this case. Or if an arrest has been made it has not been made public as of today Monday 14th October.

Where are you getting this news from ??

I hate to say this, but Maddie is 99% sure to be dead. The size of the appeal, and the worldwide interest shown in the case would have made it too dangerous for the kidnapper to keep her alive. She's more than likely buried in some remote Portuguese hills/countryside.

I'm not a parent, but I think I'd prefer to think of my child as passed away, rather than being in the hands of a paedophile ring for the last x number of years. I also think that how they left their young children alone in that apartment that night was verging on a criminal act in itself.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

I hate to say this, but Maddie is 99% sure to be dead. The size of the appeal, and the worldwide interest shown in the case would have made it too dangerous for the kidnapper to keep her alive. She's more than likely buried in some remote Portuguese hills/countryside.

I'm not a parent, but I think I'd prefer to think of my child as passed away, rather than being in the hands of a paedophile ring for the last x number of years. I also think that how they left their young children alone in that apartment that night was verging on a criminal act in itself.

I think as a parent I would just want to know one way or another, the not knowing is worse than anything else. And I agree completely about your last point, beggers belief that they thought it was ok to do that, my son is 9 and if he woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't find me or Gav he would freak out, never mind kids as young as Maddie and the twins

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think as a parent I would just want to know one way or another, the not knowing is worse than anything else. And I agree completely about your last point, beggers belief that they thought it was ok to do that, my son is 9 and if he woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't find me or Gav he would freak out, never mind kids as young as Maddie and the twins

..yeah, I think I would have to get closure and in a strange way any closure would probably be less to come to terms with than what my mind would 'invent' through not knowing...and I also cannot imagine leaving children of those ages alone, but that's something that they have had to live with and maybe a sense of guilt about that drives them to keep searching as well and never to believe she could be dead..?...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Where are you getting this information from ? I have not heard of any arrests being made in connection with this case. Or if an arrest has been made it has not been made public as of today Monday 14th October.

Where are you getting this news from ??

Well it was reported in the Mirror as the OP links to, although police are now denying that an arrest was made

Police have denied that a Manchester man was arrested in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The man reportedly made claims at a house party in Manchester that he had seen missing Madeleine earlier this summer.

It was claimed that he was arrested over the alleged comments after a report from a witness, a barrister, who heard him.

But Greater Manchester Police have 'categorically' denied any link between the arrest and Madeleine, saying it had 'nothing to do' with the continuing investigation into the youngster's whereabouts.

A GMP spokesman told the M.E.N.: “I can categorically say that no one has been arrested as part of the Madeleine McCann investigation.

“It has nothing to do with Madeleine McCann, that's all I can say.”

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Where are you getting this information from ? I have not heard of any arrests being made in connection with this case. Or if an arrest has been made it has not been made public as of today Monday 14th October.

Where are you getting this news from ??

The link is in the post you quoted....

[Vicky.]

The crimewatch program on tonight. Wonder if it will answer any of the unanswered questions..doubt it somehow.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The crimewatch program on tonight. Wonder if it will answer any of the unanswered questions..doubt it somehow.

..how weird about the timing of the programme and all this new information/arrests being a few days apart after all of these years...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..how weird about the timing of the programme and all this new information/arrests being a few days apart after all of these years...

Almost as weird as the new info coming out right when Kates book was due out last time...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Almost as weird as the new info coming out right when Kates book was due out last time...

..what was that new info, Vicky..the last time..?...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what was that new info, Vicky..the last time..?...

Guess work

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what was that new info, Vicky..the last time..?...

IIRC it was about a reconstruction the police apparently wanted to do that the McCanns said no to. Got the case back in the papers just in time for her book release.

[arista]

This is the £5million UK grant money being used
and BBC.


But end result - No Change

[Z]

The main thing to remember is that whenever a person goes into shock, the things they say and do often aren't logical and don't often make sense. People say things that don't mean anything but can often have a retrospective meaning added on to it. If they accidentally killed her, they'd be in shock; if she fell, hurt herself and died, they'd be in shock; if they went to dinner, came back and found her missing, they'd be in shock.

Whatever happened to Madeleine McCann, I don't believe her parents are murderers. They didn't kill her in cold blood, nor did they set out to kill her at all. I think she was just kidnapped and they were irresponsible by going out for dinner and leaving the kids unattended... but it could have happened if they were asleep in the same room too - it happened even though they thought the kids were safe; presumably they wouldn't have done anything more to make the room safe if they had been in there too.

[Vicky.]

I expect they wouldnt have left the patio door open had they been asleep in the room with the kids

Something else that doesn't make much sense to me..why do that when you know kids are in the room. Would it not make more sense to lock it? :S

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I expect they wouldnt have left the patio door open had they been asleep in the room with the kids

Something else that doesn't make much sense to me..why do that when you know kids are in the room. Would it not make more sense to lock it? :S

I dunno, I think they would have - they were confident enough that the room was safe as it was, I'd guess they left it open to let air into the room. It is all very strange, they must beat themselves up every day going over it in their minds about what they should and shouldn't have done to prevent that situation from unfolding.

[Vicky.]

I just cannot get over the whole sniffer dog thing either. And the excuses they have been said to have come out with for the dog detecting corpse/blood in their apartment and on clothes and such.

I know thats not totally conclusive as someone else could easily have died in the apartment or there could be loads of explanations for why the dogs could smell death/blood on Kates clothes..but with all of the other inconsistencies and such..well..

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I just cannot get over the whole sniffer dog thing either. And the excuses they have been said to have come out with for the dog detecting corpse/blood in their apartment and on clothes and such.

I know thats not totally conclusive as someone else could easily have died in the apartment or there could be loads of explanations for why the dogs could smell death/blood on Kates clothes..but with all of the other inconsistencies and such..well..

..I honestly don't think we'll ever know anything more and the reason it can't be 'solved' is that it's too much of a jumble of inconsistencies and confusion...and I understand that Kate and Gerry need answers but it kind of makes me wonder how much police resources should be used on something which probably won't ever be resolved...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I just cannot get over the whole sniffer dog thing either. And the excuses they have been said to have come out with for the dog detecting corpse/blood in their apartment and on clothes and such.

I know thats not totally conclusive as someone else could easily have died in the apartment or there could be loads of explanations for why the dogs could smell death/blood on Kates clothes..but with all of the other inconsistencies and such..well..

There's so much that makes no sense. She washed her stuffed toy rabbit with the excuse that it was dirty. It doesn't "fit" a grieving psychology at all... in fact most grieving parents would want to leave anything that belonged to the child exactly as it was left.

The sniffer dogs too, were two of the best sniffer dogs available to the UK police and their handler pointed out that they had -never-, in several years working, made an error but the McCanns became quite agitated about the situation and set out specifically to discredit what the dogs found. I remember they used excuses that experts then said would not have caused the error - and upon hearing that, the explanation changed again.

SOMETHING doesn't add up, about their behaviour and about the story. Trying to come up with explanations is only guesswork but I'm confident that there's more too it than they've ever revealed.

Then again, I can't even begin to understand the mindset of any parent who would leave their toddlers alone to go out like they did. I just can't even imagine the thought process behind it. in my eyes even if she was snatched and it had nothing to do with them, they are at the very least guilty of gross negligence. But you're "not supposed to say that", you're supposed to say it could have happened to anyone. Except it couldn't. having a child kidnapped, yes. in these circumstances, good god no. I'd HOPE most parents would never dream of leaving their children alone like that, ever, let alone in a holiday apartment in a foreign country.

[Vicky.]

I think I will leave this now as I will end up waffling on forever.

I honestly hope something comes of the new investigations and my thoughts are totally wrong, but I highly doubt it.

[Ammi]

..yeah, I'm done as well..I'll probably watch tonight but there isn't really anything else to say atm...for Kate and Gerry's sake I hope it's resolved but also for Madeleine's....