[GiRTh]

One of the brightest people I ever met had no arms and legs. He knew something about literally everything. He had an amazing mind.

On topic, many able bodies people I know are contributing absolutely nothing to society other than to irritate others. These people deserve nothing.

[GiRTh]

My reading of it was to compare someone who needs a lot of care and attention with someone who provides a lot of care and attention. Not to use the OP's example literally. And, in my post I am directly referring to someone who is able bodied but needs a lot of looking after cuz they are a complete waste of space and they choose to be a complete waste of space..

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

My reading of it was to compare someone who needs a lot of care and attention with someone who provides a lot of care and attention. Not to use the OP's example literally. And, in my post I am directly referring to someone who is able bodied but needs a lot of looking after cuz they are a complete waste of space and they choose to be a complete waste of space..

..I agree that I don't think the OP meant to cause any offence at all but was using an example...


...we are already 'valued' in that in an emergency/paramedic/medical situation...priority is given to some over others, and I agree with that completely...if there was ever a hypothetical situation when the population had to be 'culled' for any reason, then everyone would have a 'value' to the planet to decide that....

[Kazanne]

No,some animals are more equal than some scum.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Redway

Or do you think it can be disproportionate, e.g. someone with a severe disability who may well do little more than exist vs a doctor who saves plenty of lives?

Look at History
The Nazi's and Japan would say No.


And Nowdays a Doctor is more important than a MP


Disabled or Not Disabled that can be Civil or Rude
so its down to each person.

[MTVN]

I dont think people are objectively more valuable than others, its something subjective and people will have their own perspectives on how valuable others are based on their actions, their relationship with them etc

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I dont think people are objectively more valuable than others, its something subjective and people will have their own perspectives on how valuable others are based on their actions, their relationship with them etc

Yeah, that's very true Matthew

[Niamh.]

Yes, I agree Ammi.

Also I think Matt made a good point earlier on as well :

Originally Posted by MTVN

I dont think people are objectively more valuable than others, its something subjective and people will have their own perspectives on how valuable others are based on their actions, their relationship with them etc

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes, I agree Ammi.

Also I think Matt made a good point earlier on as well :

..yeah, it is a good point because obviously we all have people who we personally hold as valuable to our own lives..it's strange because Redway's question along with another thread about 'are we civilised'...made me think a lot about an apocalyptic situation...yeah, I think we are absolutely 'civilised'..very flawed, obviously..what isn't flawed and the population/planet is so vast that there are many flaws...but maybe it's understandable with all the bad things that happen in the world, to feel sometimes that we're not 'civilised' but I think if you put us in an apocalyptic/survival situation, you would appreciate just how much we indeed are...do you know what I mean..?...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, it is a good point because obviously we all have people who we personally hold as valuable to our own lives..it's strange because Redway's question along with another thread about 'are we civilised'...made me think a lot about an apocalyptic situation...yeah, I think we are absolutely 'civilised'..very flawed, obviously..what isn't flawed and the population/planet is so vast that there are many flaws...but maybe it's understandable with all the bad things that happen in the world, to feel sometimes that we're not 'civilised' but I think if you put us in an apocalyptic/survival situation, you would appreciate just how much we indeed are...do you know what I mean..?...

I do, of course it could also go the Lord of The Flies route

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I do, of course it could also go the Lord of The Flies route

..there was another movie as well, I can't remember what it was called..(Nicholas Cage..)..where the planet was dying and 'other life' from another planet was taking children only to populate/repopulate on their planet, so every adult became 'worthless' in value...which to a very much lesser extent is the case now in medical/paramedic situations..children always have priority, which is as it should be...


...hmmm, but one of those children could be a future mass murderer...interesting...

[user104658]

Who decides what's valuable, though? For example, to some, those in government supporting military action say, a high-ranking and effective military general would be of very high value, possibly irreplaceable. To an anti-war campaigner, he is beyond worthless.

This applies in most situations.

However I do find myself (shockingly?) Agreeing with lost Alex in this thread. A person who is for all intents and purposes "good" - kind, caring, good to their children, not an abusive arsehole - is of more value to the world than the opposite, regardless of what those people do for a living. A heart surgeon who saves hundreds of lives and then goes home and beats his family is worth far less than an economically inactive man who is raising his children in a caring, compassionate way. Because on a grand scale, it's people raising emotionally neglected children (and this sadly applies to a LOT of "high flying career" parents) who are doing the most potential damage to the world and it's future.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Who decides what's valuable, though? For example, to some, those in government supporting military action say, a high-ranking and effective military general would be of very high value, possibly irreplaceable. To an anti-war campaigner, he is beyond worthless.

This applies in most situations.

However I do find myself (shockingly?) Agreeing with lost Alex in this thread. A person who is for all intents and purposes "good" - kind, caring, good to their children, not an abusive arsehole - is of more value to the world than the opposite, regardless of what those people do for a living. A heart surgeon who saves hundreds of lives and then goes home and beats his family is worth far less than an economically inactive man who is raising his children in a caring, compassionate way. Because on a grand scale, it's people raising emotionally neglected children (and this sadly applies to a LOT of "high flying career" parents) who are doing the most potential damage to the world and it's future.

..I agree that children are often 'damaged' by their parents and their choices...if 'high flying' means in terms of placing children in residential boarding schools when it's not necessarily right for the child, which it isn't for everyone, then that can have long term damage and certainly contributes a childhood of unhappiness...but children can be damaged by parents, no matter their situation though...none more or less than others...

[Smithy]

No lady gaga is more valuable than all of us put together

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No lady gaga is more valuable than all of us put together

She is still Learning
and woman who has problems



Fecking Below Me

Arista is the new Salman.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Arista is the new Salman.

Never
Salman is a Student

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

Never
Salman is a Student

[Ammi]

..we are all students of life, Arista.....

[smeagol]

no not all people are equally valuable. i tried selling my then gf in morocco once and was only offered 2 camels and a goat for her. the last one before i got 6 camels and a emu

[joeysteele]

I consider all Human beings have worth and in different ways bring something to the World and others lives.
Of course there are people who do and can achieve greater status and success than others but as to being more valuabe, in some ways certainly yes, in possibly other ways no.

I lost a friend earlier this year who was mentally impaired and physically paralysed after a serious car accident, in which he lost both his parents too.
His humour, his determination to try to learn more and do as much as he can was something ,as I watched all his efforts,that was far more valuable than a lot I see in people who some in society and even authority would call the 'more important' people.

I put a value on all people, no matter their status or even great lack of it.
How they are and what they do and try to do as to reaching out to others is far more important and valuable to me as to other people.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I consider all Human beings have worth and in different ways bring something to the World and others lives.
Of course there are people who do and can achieve greater status and success than others but as to being more valuabe, in some ways certainly yes, in possibly other ways no.

Spot The Student Everyone



Joey
Hitler Was a Human



You sticking up for him?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Spot The Student Everyone



Joey
Hitler Was a Human



You sticking up for him?

arista,I really like you with a passion but with the greatest of respect, you must take all that is said in the full quotes of the post and not just a snippet from it.

If you read the whole of my post, I said I place value on all human beings for the way they are and what they do as to reaching out to others, clearly since you raise the name Hitler,it should be obvious to all that he is someone I would clearly not place any value on for his actions towards other human beings.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

arista,I really like you with a passion but with the greatest of respect, you must take all that is said in the full quotes of the post and not just a snippet from it.

If you read the whole of my post, I said I place value on all human beings for the way they are and what they do as to reaching out to others, clearly since you raise the name Hitler,it should be obvious to all that he is someone I would clearly not place any value on for his actions towards other human beings.

Yes I am a Shocking Editor

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I consider all Human beings have worth and in different ways bring something to the World and others lives.
Of course there are people who do and can achieve greater status and success than others but as to being more valuabe, in some ways certainly yes, in possibly other ways no.

I lost a friend earlier this year who was mentally impaired and physically paralysed after a serious car accident, in which he lost both his parents too.
His humour, his determination to try to learn more and do as much as he can was something ,as I watched all his efforts,that was far more valuable than a lot I see in people who some in society and even authority would call the 'more important' people.

I put a value on all people, no matter their status or even great lack of it.
How they are and what they do and try to do as to reaching out to others is far more important and valuable to me as to other people.

I totally agree joey, you put it very poetically and I appreciate your heartfelt post about your friend. It shows what perhaps I was trying to express, that it isn't so much about what you do but the hearts you touch that define you as valuable.