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Niamh. · 28-03-2014, 12:26 PM

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Listening to a superb interview with the real Philomena yesterday I can confirm that and its still going on. Ireland needs to kick that vile church out of its whole island

mmm but it's getting there, the church are losing followers rapidly here

Kyle · 28-03-2014, 12:29 PM

So does anybody know what sort of religious venues will object to performing same-sex marriage? Is it just Roman Catholicism that will likely have a problem with it or other Christian denominations? Genuine question btw.

Niamh. · 28-03-2014, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle

So does anybody know what sort of religious venues will object to performing same-sex marriage? Is it just Roman Catholicism that will likely have a problem with it or other Christian denominations? Genuine question btw.

I doubt it'll just be Catholics Kyle

Kyle · 28-03-2014, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I doubt it'll just be Catholics Kyle

Yeh, that's probably true. Does anybody know what the Church of Scotland's take on it is?

user104658 · 28-03-2014, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle

So does anybody know what sort of religious venues will object to performing same-sex marriage? Is it just Roman Catholicism that will likely have a problem with it or other Christian denominations? Genuine question btw.

It definitely won't just be Catholics, there are (quote a few) protestant churches that are so hard-line on the literal word of the bible as to make Catholicism seem quite forward-thinking. I think in Britain especially we tend to think of non-Catholic Christianity as "Church Of (England/Scotland/etc.)" but there are actually hundreds of branches, some extremely liberal and some stuck in the dark ages. I don't think that will really be an issue, though... homosexual couples aren't likely to be part of (or interested in being part of) those sorts of churches, anyway.

Kyle · 28-03-2014, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It definitely won't just be Catholics, there are (quote a few) protestant churches that are so hard-line on the literal word of the bible as to make Catholicism seem quite forward-thinking. I think in Britain especially we tend to think of non-Catholic Christianity as "Church Of (England/Scotland/etc.)" but there are actually hundreds of branches, some extremely liberal and some stuck in the dark ages. I don't think that will really be an issue, though... homosexual couples aren't likely to be part of (or interested in being part of) those sorts of churches, anyway.

Thank you for answering my question.

user104658 · 28-03-2014, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle

Yeh, that's probably true. Does anybody know what the Church of Scotland's take on it is?

More or less against it, as far as I can see:

Short and to the point

Most recent document on it

The second one is dated 2014, basically everything you need to know is in the FAQ on the second page. It seems to be summed up as "we don't currently want to do it, and have no plans to change this".

Kyle · 28-03-2014, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

More or less against it, as far as I can see:

Short and to the point

Most recent document on it

The second one is dated 2014, basically everything you need to know is in the FAQ on the second page. It seems to be summed up as "we don't currently want to do it, and have no plans to change this".

Thanks, I'll take a look at that CoS link and FAQ.

Marsh. · 28-03-2014, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth

imagine how many gay couples will be told at their local church, sorry we dont marry gay people here....dont you think some of those couples will take offence and take legal action?

How many gay people frequent their local church which preaches about how homosexual activity will see you cast into hell?

Tom4784 · 28-03-2014, 03:21 PM

I don't think there should be any distinction between Religion and Business, if a church offers a paid service then they should have to abide by the same rules as any other business.

People typically only get married in churches because it's nicer than a registry office, I've known a lot of people that have married in a church and it's never for religious reasons, it's just because they want a big church wedding. Gays getting married in a church is no different to non believers doing the same just for cosmetic reasons, if a church has no problem with accepting the money of non believers then it should be made to accept the money of any gay couple that chooses to marry in a church.

Religion is just a big business at the end of the day anyway.

MTVN · 28-03-2014, 03:35 PM

Well I think there's a difference between a business offering a basic public service and a church offering a specifically religious one. Religious considerations should have nothing to do with the former, they have everything to do with the latter.

Forcing Churches to conduct a ceremony that is against their beliefs would be a massive blow for freedom of religion and any state that would take a move like that is a too powerful one.

Crimson Dynamo · 28-03-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Well I think there's a difference between a business offering a basic public service and a church offering a specifically religious one. Religious considerations should have nothing to do with the former, they have everything to do with the latter.

Forcing Churches to conduct a ceremony that is against their beliefs would be a massive blow for freedom of religion and any state that would take a move like that is a too powerful one.

And if some churches decided that they will now not be allowing people with black faces to be married as they have found some dead sea scrolls and in a new bit of Leviticus it states that God is not down with it b- then what?

Marsh. · 28-03-2014, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think there should be any distinction between Religion and Business, if a church offers a paid service then they should have to abide by the same rules as any other business.

People typically only get married in churches because it's nicer than a registry office, I've known a lot of people that have married in a church and it's never for religious reasons, it's just because they want a big church wedding. Gays getting married in a church is no different to non believers doing the same just for cosmetic reasons, if a church has no problem with accepting the money of non believers then it should be made to accept the money of any gay couple that chooses to marry in a church.

Religion is just a big business at the end of the day anyway.

Not all churches charge for weddings. They have religious requirements for RC churches where at least one of the couple must be baptised, sometimes the priest asks that he see you regularly attend mass for a few weeks beforehand and you have to pay for the flowers/candles or any other decoration you would like in the church.

I think CoE charge but that's set by law.

Crimson Dynamo · 28-03-2014, 03:43 PM

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Not all churches charge for weddings. They have religious requirements for RC churches where at least one of the couple must be baptised, sometimes the priest asks that he see you regularly attend mass for a few weeks beforehand and you have to pay for the flowers/candles or any other decoration you would like in the church.

I think CoE charge but that's set by law.

You make a donation to the coffers in just about all cases I think - so its not so much a charge as a levy

Marsh. · 28-03-2014, 03:44 PM

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You make a donation to the coffers in just about all cases I think - so its not so much a charge as a levy

Not all. Sometimes the priest might ask for a church donation but it's not as though "Come on £400 and you can get married". It doesn't always work like that.

Except CoE where there is a set charge set by law.

Tom4784 · 28-03-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

Not all churches charge for weddings. They have religious requirements for RC churches where at least one of the couple must be baptised, sometimes the priest asks that he see you regularly attend mass for a few weeks beforehand and you have to pay for the flowers/candles or any other decoration you would like in the church.

I think CoE charge but that's set by law.

Most churches charge though, if it's not a paid service then they can do what they want but if they want to make money from weddings then they have to abide by the rules of business. They can't have their cake and eat it too.

Jack_ · 28-03-2014, 04:01 PM

I don't think any institution should be actively allowed to discriminate against someone on grounds of sexual orientation

You don't choose your sexuality, but you do choose your religion (unless you're one of those families that likes to indoctrinate children)

Kyle · 28-03-2014, 04:13 PM

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I don't think any institution should be actively allowed to discriminate against someone on grounds of sexual orientation

You don't choose your sexuality, but you do choose your religion (unless you're one of those families that likes to indoctrinate children)

Don't some religious people/groups dispute this?

Kizzy · 28-03-2014, 04:24 PM

I'll never understand organised religion, or why anyone would want to be part of one.

Marsh. · 28-03-2014, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Most churches charge though, if it's not a paid service then they can do what they want but if they want to make money from weddings then they have to abide by the rules of business. They can't have their cake and eat it too.

They simply wouldn't marry a gay couple, so wouldn't take money from them.

I'm still confused as to why any gay couple would want to get married in the church or any other building of worship for a religion that completely opposes them and their life.

Wanting a pretty wedding is all well and good, but there are countless none religious places for that.

You can get married by law, the church is basically for the religious blessing. Why would a gay couple want a blessing?

the truth · 28-03-2014, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 08marsh

How many gay people frequent their local church which preaches about how homosexual activity will see you cast into hell?

no it doesnt, you lie

Marsh. · 28-03-2014, 04:27 PM

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no it doesnt, you lie

Enlighten me. What do they preach about homosexuals?

Bearing in mind my post didn't mention any specific religion.

the truth · 28-03-2014, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And if some churches decided that they will now not be allowing people with black faces to be married as they have found some dead sea scrolls and in a new bit of Leviticus it states that God is not down with it b- then what?

and if the queen had bal%s shed be the king?