[Josy]

Also think it of in a vice versa scenario...if Muslims were under the impression a store was using Halal meat only to then find out they hadn't been all along there would be hell on.

It's not really about there being no difference in the meat imo it's the principle and if they keep things like that quiet what else are they hiding?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what if they put steroids in and dont tell you?

Are you claiming they've done that? Or that Halal meat is in some way hazardous to health?

Incidentally, that Basque incident... the case has now been dropped by the Spanish government.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Josy

Also think it of in a vice versa scenario...if Muslims were under the impression a store was using Halal meat only to then find out they hadn't been all along there would be hell on.

It's not really about there being no difference in the meat imo it's the principle and if they keep things like that quiet what else are they hiding?

Yes, I agree with that. I don't see much difference in using Halal or non-Halal meat. By keeping it quiet and not being open they've made it look like it's a bit of a conspiracy. But then I guess there is a section of society that will give it the "bloody Muslims..." treatment.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I agree with that. I don't see much difference in using Halal or non-Halal meat. By keeping it quiet and not being open they've made it look like it's a bit of a conspiracy. But then I guess there is a section of society that will give it the "bloody Muslims..." treatment.

It's a bit weird that they kept it quiet though, wouldn't they need to let Muslims know that their meat is Halal so they will buy it?

[Brother Leon]

No difference to me. Halal and Kosher tastes much better usually anyway so it's good if anything.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Are you claiming they've done that? Or that Halal meat is in some way hazardous to health?

Incidentally, that Basque incident... the case has now been dropped by the Spanish government.

No but if you start not telling people about things because you worry about PR...

where do you stop?

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I beginning to wonder now if all these years I have been singing

"halal, halal we are the Billy Boys" at Ibrox




one for football fans only

i live for the sharia law the law the law
live for sharia law law live for sharia law law

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No but if you start not telling people about things because you worry about PR...

where do you stop?

I agree with this, I do have issues with how animals are slaugtered so I would like to know if a meat is halal or not, plus I do not really understand why in a country which claims to be be non anything (religiously speaking) we want to appeal to a law laid down by Islam and apply it to 100% of the population?

[InOne]

I usually get pepperoni there. If they're using halal meat with pork then they're not following traditions anyway are they? Unless the pepperoni isn't pork or they have separate areas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Halal foods are foods that Muslims are allowed to eat or drink under Islamic Shariʻah. The criteria specify both what foods are allowed, and how the food must be prepared. The foods addressed are mostly types of meat and animal tissue.

The most common example of non-halal (or haraam) food is pork. While pork is the only meat that cannot be eaten by Muslims at all (due to historically, culturally, and religiously perceived hygienic concerns), foods other than pork can also be haraam. The criteria for non-pork items include their source, the cause of the animal's death, and how it was processed.

The food must come from a supplier that uses halal practices. Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck (while the animal is conscious), causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.

Muslims must also ensure that all foods (particularly processed foods), as well as non-food items like cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, are halal. Frequently, these products contain animal by-products or other ingredients that are not permissible for Muslims to eat or use on their bodies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal


I mean you could not make that crap up, oh hang on they did. Do we really want to condone such stuff?

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

I usually get pepperoni there. If they're using halal meat with pork then they're not following traditions anyway are they? Unless the pepperoni isn't pork or they have separate areas.

Don't say that
their Lawyers are looking at Public Forums

[Livia]

Now let's all go and look at the horrors of an ordinary, run-of-the-mill abattoir. You couldn't make that stuff up either. You can't be all weepy about one kind of slaughter and condone another which is just as barbaric in a different way.

[Vicky.]

Never ate there so don't care at all..probably wouldn't care even if I did eat there.

But its a bit crap to keep this quiet. Imagine the uproar if it had been the other way around and meat people thought was Halal turned out not to be

[Livia]

I agree Vicky. They make it a bigger deal if they aren't open about it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Never ate there so don't care at all..probably wouldn't care even if I did eat there.

But its a bit crap to keep this quiet. Imagine the uproar if it had been the other way around and meat people thought was Halal turned out not to be

All they need to do is advertise that their meat is 100% Halal. Just because normal abbatoirs might employ just as dubious methods of disposing of animals does not give anyone the right to force halal meat down peoples throats (so to speak without giving their informed consent. I notice nobody as come back to me with regard to why a non religious country (allegedly) has restaurants conforming 100% to Sharia Law.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The other week we were a christian country. not sure what baby jesus would say about his american hot being blessed to his rival god Alan

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The other week we were a christian country. not sure what baby jesus would say about his american hot being blessed to his rival god Alan

I'm kind of amazed at the inertia really, the oh well kind of attitude, personally I don't care if companies want to serve 100% halal food (presumably it is cheaper as I assume they are not doing it for religious reasons), but let the consumer know fgs.

[Z]

I really don't get the big deal - the UK's Muslim population has exploded over the last century, it's a compromise of accommodating your customer base and just generally being more tolerant to do something like this, I don't really see how it's a bad thing. There's no difference in taste or quality, it's just to do with the way the animal is slaughtered - nobody thinks about where the toppings on their pizza came from before they started eating it: if they did, they probably wouldn't have meat on a pizza. That's probably why it's been kept quiet. People don't really know what halal means, and if they bothered to find out, they'd inevitably start thinking about animal slaughter and probably not want to eat it - which would be the case if they thought about how animals were slaughtered anyway.

[Saph]

what even is halal

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Z

I really don't get the big deal - the UK's Muslim population has exploded over the last century, it's a compromise of accommodating your customer base and just generally being more tolerant to do something like this, I don't really see how it's a bad thing. There's no difference in taste or quality, it's just to do with the way the animal is slaughtered - nobody thinks about where the toppings on their pizza came from before they started eating it: if they did, they probably wouldn't have meat on a pizza. That's probably why it's been kept quiet. People don't really know what halal means, and if they bothered to find out, they'd inevitably start thinking about animal slaughter and probably not want to eat it - which would be the case if they thought about how animals were slaughtered anyway.

I think it is a big deal due to the religious connoctations and that it is enshrined in Islamic law, this last time I looked is not a Country that has to adhere to Shariah Law. All food sold in supermarkets has to be labelled correctly I don't know why that courtesy doesn't extend to restaurants.

[Z]

I get where you're coming from but I really don't think I've ever thought about where my food is coming from or the religious affiliations of the restaurant/people who work there whenever I've gone out for dinner and I'm not about to start now. I don't feel duped or tricked in any way, I'd imagine there'd have been a big furore if they'd made a big song and dance about how their meat is halal because there's a lot of religious intolerance and misconceptions about Islam in the UK (see: Marks and Spencers recent uproar about a tiny minority of Muslim staff not wanting to handle pork and alcohol) and everyone gets lumped into the same boat - it's just not something worth getting worked up about IMO, it tastes the same, it looks the same, a spade's a spade.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Z

I really don't get the big deal - the UK's Muslim population has exploded over the last century, it's a compromise of accommodating your customer base and just generally being more tolerant to do something like this, I don't really see how it's a bad thing. There's no difference in taste or quality, it's just to do with the way the animal is slaughtered - nobody thinks about where the toppings on their pizza came from before they started eating it: if they did, they probably wouldn't have meat on a pizza. That's probably why it's been kept quiet. People don't really know what halal means, and if they bothered to find out, they'd inevitably start thinking about animal slaughter and probably not want to eat it - which would be the case if they thought about how animals were slaughtered anyway.

Feck Sake ZEE
its not the fact its Halal

Its the Fecking Fact that it was kept secret


You must know about being Honest
I mean your off to Russia to Report for Tibb Live News

[arista]

Originally Posted by Saph

what even is halal

food blessed for muslims
and killed slowly with lots of Blood


Click the first post link

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Saph

what even is halal

Its a bronze age superstition that is passed on to children in the form of parental brainwashing and should not be encouraged in this country

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"Halal foods are foods that Muslims are allowed to eat or drink under Islamic Shariʻah. The criteria specify both what foods are allowed, and how the food must be prepared. The foods addressed are mostly types of meat and animal tissue.

The most common example of non-halal (or haraam) food is pork. While pork is the only meat that cannot be eaten by Muslims at all (due to historically, culturally, and religiously perceived hygienic concerns), foods other than pork can also be haraam. The criteria for non-pork items include their source, the cause of the animal's death, and how it was processed.

The food must come from a supplier that uses halal practices. Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck (while the animal is conscious), causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.

Muslims must also ensure that all foods (particularly processed foods), as well as non-food items like cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, are halal. Frequently, these products contain animal by-products or other ingredients that are not permissible for Muslims to eat or use on their bodies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Josy

Also think it of in a vice versa scenario...if Muslims were under the impression a store was using Halal meat only to then find out they hadn't been all along there would be hell on.

It's not really about there being no difference in the meat imo it's the principle and if they keep things like that quiet what else are they hiding?

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Never ate there so don't care at all..probably wouldn't care even if I did eat there.

But its a bit crap to keep this quiet. Imagine the uproar if it had been the other way around and meat people thought was Halal turned out not to be

it's not the same the other way round.. we're strictly not allowed to eat non-halal meat

but yes they should have been open about it