[Daffodil]

I hate it when people with dodgy morals lecture others.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Daffodil

I hate it when people with dodgy morals lecture others.

I totally agree.

Originally Posted by Josy

She is such a hypocrite it's actually laughable

Just because nobody in the house knows who she really is, she forgets that we all do..

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think she cared. It was the pathetic little catalyst she and Toya found to finally turn on her.

Yup. They have been looking for a reason. They're a pair of cunts and they'll always need a target to make themselves feel important.

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yep when it comes to the moral high ground, there really is no greater authority than a loud, p****d up Helen

She truly is a role model for women everywhere. [/sarcasm]

[Jack_]

As ridiculous as her reasonings were, when are people going to get that a man paid her to do a job which she obviously fulfilled. It's not up to the prositute to enquire about the relationship or marital status of their client, they're there to provide a service and that's that. The onus is on the client to ensure they're not being unfaithful. Just because he's Wayne Rooney it doesn't change anything, he was still a customer just like everyone else.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

As ridiculous as her reasonings were, when are people going to get that a man paid her to do a job which she obviously fulfilled. It's not up to the prositute to enquire about the relationship or marital status of their client, they're there to provide a service and that's that. The onus is on the client to ensure they're not being unfaithful. Just because he's Wayne Rooney it doesn't change anything, he was still a customer just like everyone else.

We all get that Jack but when are you going to get that she sounds like a fool preaching about a girl code (for something as stupid as sharing a 2 person shower with clothes on) when she's slept with a well known married man while his wife was pregnant, she was paid yes, obviously Wayne is the one who cheated not her, we all get that but it still doesn't change the fact that she's not really in any position to be on a moral platform judging other women, is she? I mean had Winston slipped Kim a tenner on her way out of the shower would it then be ok in Helens opinion?

[Jack_]

Personally I don't think a lot of people on here get that, because she's still being called a homewrecker and a slag. Some may get it, but a lot don't

And personally because of the fact the Rooney incident wasn't her fault in the slightest I don't really see that she doesn't have the grounds to bring up the 'girl code'. What she was saying was wrong and is actually ironically sexist itself - this bizarre assumption that an attractive woman can't share a shower with a man without it meaning something, what kind of ridiculous bull**** - but just because she was paid to do a job that led to a married man being unfaithful to his wife I don't see why she shouldn't be allowed to air that opinion

If people want to criticise her morality, they should bring up her treatment of Jale or selling the story to the papers, not the incident itself

[Jamesy]

Helen: An ex(?) prostitute. Slept with a married man. A famous one.

Kim: Asked to join someone in a large shower. Wearing swimwear. Man in shower single.

In both instances the woman gets the blame.. the man is just to blame too. Although Helen still has no moral high ground here. I understand her point about not upsetting Tamara. But really? Was she thinking about not upsetting Coleen when Wayne had his dick inside her? I doubt it.

Several people in that house have had baths together. Winston and Tarama knew each other for a WEEK, they're not together, they kissed one, they're not married with 2 children and have been together for 10 years... there is really no need for Helen to pick on such a trivial thing.

The way this has been made out is like Kim went in there, Winston said "no get out", Kim says "Don't fight it big boy", they have bare naked sex in front of the cameras and the housemates, Winston pays Kim Ł20 for her dirty deed, Winston's married wife, Tamara, cries hysterically on a heartbreaking phone call on BOTS when she discovers the dirty sex scandal her husband has done with that slag Kim...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Personally I don't think a lot of people on here get that, because she's still being called a homewrecker and a slag. Some may get it, but a lot don't

And personally because of the fact the Rooney incident wasn't her fault in the slightest I don't really see that she doesn't have the grounds to bring up the 'girl code'. What she was saying was wrong and is actually ironically sexist itself - this bizarre assumption that an attractive woman can't share a shower with a man without it meaning something, what kind of ridiculous bull**** - but just because she was paid to do a job that led to a married man being unfaithful to his wife I don't see why she shouldn't be allowed to air that opinion

If people want to criticise her morality, they should bring up her treatment of Jale or selling the story to the papers, not the incident itself

I would never call another woman a slag, I despise that word, especially coming from another woman, that's my girl code

The point I'm making here is (and this nothing to do with what I think about prostitution) I just think, if you're in that job, you go into it knowing that probably a large chunk of your clients will be married and will be cheating on their partners, fair enough that's their issue not yours but if in your normal life you're of the opinion that girls should have some sort of a code and not even shower clothed with men who are attached(and I use that term loosely here since Winston barely even knows Tamara) how can you not say it's rich or hypocritical? It's either the attached persons fault or it's not, whether you're being paid or not, do you understand what I'm trying to say? (I'm not trying to be patronizing here, I just don't know If I'm explaining myself very well )

To me it'd be like a vegetarian preaching about how meat is murder and making people feel bad for eating meat but then working in an abattoir but being excused for that cos you get paid for it

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

We all get that Jack but when are you going to get that she sounds like a fool preaching about a girl code (for something as stupid as sharing a 2 person shower with clothes on) when she's slept with a well known married man while his wife was pregnant, she was paid yes, obviously Wayne is the one who cheated not her, we all get that but it still doesn't change the fact that she's not really in any position to be on a moral platform judging other women, is she? I mean had Winston slipped Kim a tenner on her way out of the shower would it then be ok in Helens opinion?

[lily.]

Yeah, I know exactly what you are saying Niamh. It's not about who was to blame for the Rooney situation, it's about the fact that working as a prostitute equates to leaving your morals at the door. And, if you have left your own self-respect at home, you can hardly go preaching to others.

[flamingGalah!]

Exactly, Helen doesn't even have any self respect, let alone respect for others, so for her to go on about Kimberly disrespecting Tamara (who isn't even in a relationship with Winston) for getting into the same shower cubicle as him to simply wash is pathetically ridiculous not to mention hypocrisy of the highest order!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lily.

Yeah, I know exactly what you are saying Niamh. It's not about who was to blame for the Rooney situation, it's about the fact that working as a prostitute equates to leaving your morals at the door. And, if you have left your own self-respect at home, you can hardly go preaching to others.

Yeah, it's the fact that people are trying to make out that you can separate what your morals are according to whether it's your job or not which I don't believe is right. She's still a hypocrite and in no position to judge other women. And people would be less inclined to keep bringing up her past, if she wasn't acting like she was in there with her double standards

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

As ridiculous as her reasonings were, when are people going to get that a man paid her to do a job which she obviously fulfilled. It's not up to the prositute to enquire about the relationship or marital status of their client, they're there to provide a service and that's that. The onus is on the client to ensure they're not being unfaithful. Just because he's Wayne Rooney it doesn't change anything, he was still a customer just like everyone else.

They're there to provide a service... do me a favour, Jack. She's not a bloody social worker. She cannot lecture people on the "girl code" and then have others say, yeah, but... the "girl code" doesn't apply to her because she's a prostitute. She's making up the rules, and you're writing the clauses. It's just stupid.

And yeah, the fact he was Wayne Rooney did change things. Forty thousand quid's worth of change.

[Bojangles]

Helen{ the gob bigger than the Mersey Tunnel},soon to gang up with Toya,will create so much friction for the others.I can see them being booted out.

[GiRTh]

I wonder how many cocks she's had in her mouth at the same time? Due to her job I can bet a lot of money that its more than one. IMO if that your kind of thing then go enjoy yourselves but to do it for cash take an especially low set of morals. Someone who is prepared to put themselves thru such degrading acts for cash cannot lecture anybody on anything.

I find some of the comments on here that she's providing a service and the men are at fault laughable. Any one who does that job for an extended time must be cold heartened and cold blooded. To put themselves thru that kind of humiliation for cash. Wow!!!! I cannot begin to comprehend what that does to someone. No wonder she's such a cocky disgusting gob****e. What else is she likely to be given her line of work?

[lily.]

The fact that she has a kid, who is 11 years old, so she had him while she was 'working' as a prostitute makes her even more disgusting imo.

[Samwell]

Because of Tamara, and Tamara fancied Winston.

However, lats pause a minute. We know that she was a ***** who was with a married man. Is there a difference?

[Daffodil]

I foresee an early thread closure...

[Samwell]

Originally Posted by Daffodil

Methinks you are confused Samwell. And I foresee an early thread closure...

What am I confused about?

[Daffodil]

I thought you were going on about Tamara as she was the last female you mentioned.

[Samwell]

Is it possible she may be overcompensating? Since she is known as a prostitute, she now goes way to the other side. "I would NEVER to anythin with a guy who has another girl fancying him, etc.etc." She is maybe just trying to escape the prostitute inside her, and that is why are are witnessing this?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Samwell

Is it possible she may be overcompensating? Since she is known as a prostitute, she now goes way to the other side. "I would NEVER to anythin with a guy who has another girl fancying him, etc.etc." She is maybe just trying to escape the prostitute inside her, and that is why are are witnessing this?

you can never escape the inner prostitute


many on here have tried and failed.....

[Dash Darington]

You managed to spot the hypocrisy. Can't sneak anything past you that's bigger than an elephant.

[Daffodil]

Take the men away from a prostitute, and you are left with 'a woman'.

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by InOne

Girl code means gang up on the one girl you dislike.

This. They just needed something to justify turning on her, they've been waiting for it because they can't get Jale down anymore.

[catherine2005]

They all jump on Kimberley for having a shower with Winston but what about Pauline and Steven sharing a bed. No-one says a word then do they?!!??