[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Yeah. Thanks for highlighting the double standards and my point . Twists are only "unfair" if it is negative towards a liked HM...

Its not power trip tbh its secrets and lies thats the annoying thing

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Yeah. Thanks for highlighting the double standards and my point . Twists are only "unfair" if it is negative towards a liked HM...

..that's obviously going to be true to a certain extent and of all fans and in every series, we know how it works.....and maybe some are more objective than others but there has also been a lot of twists this year and very few normal nomination/eviction processes ..and maybe easy to say 'double standards' when supporting Helen because fans of hers have never had to experience those twists/lack of public or housemate input in the same way as she's immune from it all and even she acknowledges she hasn't 'felt' the full experience because of the pass and I think her fans in general haven't either....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that's obviously going to be true to a certain extent and of all fans and in every series, we know how it works.....and maybe some are more objective than others but there has also been a lot of twists this year and very few normal nomination/eviction processes ..and maybe easy to say 'double standards' when supporting Helen because fans of hers have never had to experience those twists/lack of public or housemate input in the same way as she's immune from it all and even she acknowledges she hasn't 'felt' the full experience because of the pass and I think her fans in general haven't either....

I agree Ammi.
Helen has had a very easy ride so far with no twists or turns affecting her at all. So I would have to say, no, I wouldn't feel it unfair if Helen
got her pass taken off her. Why should she be the only one immune from the producers meddling?
In fact, imo she should have had it taken off her when she got the warnings for her nasty, bullying behaviour. The fact that she didn't, and the fact that so far she has gotten off scot free from any twists is just deplorable favoritism from BB imo.

[Sophiee]

of course not, if helen got her pass removed people would be ecstatic (which I think would be an unfair movement). the only reason I have an issue with ashleigh being up is because iris told her that she would be immune this week. there is simply no point in having the power if this isn't for definite.

[sampvt]

Helen is way more popular than you lot think, trust me. The first time she is up she will get support because she is being dragged down to the underdog ranks and what do we all love, an underdog. i think she will end up the top woman and not be far off winning it but that depends on whether or not chris implodes soon like mark has. It only takes a few bad edits to get the public wound up. Look at Ashleighs odds this week. She has gone from 14/1 to near fav in a few days and mark has drifted way out to 7/1.

The prods will decide who wins in the finals week and their edits will reflect that. They want someone who they can get spin offs from and they wont make the same mistake they made last year with sam.

[mrflibble]

Doesn't matter to me who was involved in the twist. It was unfair. I hate Helen, but as I keep saying, I wouldn't even want her pass to be taken off her because there's no way in which that would be fair. Some of these twists are acceptable even if they're stupid, but this isn't Secrets & Lies, this is Power Trip. So stop fecking lying.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Would people still be calling the twist horrible?

..in truth, yes 'people' would because the people who would, would probably be either supporters of Helen or believers that the immunity should never be revoked so there would be much the same reaction in fact maybe more so because you don't have to be a fan of Helen to disagree with her pass to the final being just that with no twists or exceptions....the 'people' would just probably be different ones....

[joeysteele]

The point is that is the whole point of a free pass to the final in that that person is immune from nominations and protected from any twists.
Any housemate,no matter who got it should have had that status.

The problem lies with BB allowing a free pass to be given to any housemate in the first few days of the series.
Pauline could have given it to anyone, no one knew it was coming.
So to remove it now from whoever had it, never mind Helen would have made this whole power trip theme nonsense and a con..

Of course it shouldn't have been given to anyone so early in the series but it was BB who had that done, not Helen, just as Jale got the killer nom and Mark got £5,000.

There is only one way a precedent was set for Helen's pass to be removed for 1 week only, that was when they did the all male housemates up and the females with the power,Jale lost the killer nom for that week only.

Had they done a female only housemates up week with the guys having the power then in that instance they could have removed Helen's immunity for that week only, just as they did with Jale's.

Otherwise, the only right thing to do in this mad and pathetic series is now leave that free pass in place since it is the only thing left that has stayed credible as to the power trip theme.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The point is that is the whole point of a free pass to the final in that that person is immune from nominations and protected from any twists.
Any housemate,no matter who got it should have had that status.

The problem lies with BB allowing a free pass to be given to any housemate in the first few days of the series.
Pauline could have given it to anyone, no one knew it was coming.
So to remove it now from whoever had it, never mind Helen would have made this whole power trip theme nonsense and a con..

Of course it shouldn't have been given to anyone so early in the series but it was BB who had that done, not Helen, just as Jale got the killer nom and Mark got £5,000.

There is only one way a precedent was set for Helen's pass to be removed for 1 week only, that was when they did the all male housemates up and the females with the power,Jale lost the killer nom for that week only.

Had they done a female only housemates up week with the guys having the power then in that instance they could have removed Helen's immunity for that week only, just as they did with Jale's.

Otherwise, the only right thing to do in this mad and pathetic series is now leave that free pass in place since it is the only thing left that has stayed credible as to the power trip theme.

I disagree. Helen's free pass shouldn't be honored any more than they have honored any other person's 'immunity'. Why should Helen be the one that benefits to make the power trip theme credible? But it would be a convenient excuse to keep her in to the finals for BB and her few fans.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

I disagree. Helen's free pass shouldn't be honored any more than they have honored any other person's 'immunity'. Why should Helen be the one that benefits to make the power trip theme credible? But it would be a convenient excuse to keep her in to the finals for BB and her few fans.

I generally agree a lot with you jet but not this time sadly,.
What on earth was the point of giving any housemate a free pass to the final if it could be taken away on a whim.

It isn't just about Helen,it would have been about any housemate who got the free pass.
Are you also saying Mark should lose the £5,000 he was promised as a reward then too.

If so what is the point at all of ever having the power trip theme in the first place.

I would be saying all this still if Steven or Ashleigh had the free pass, I am not judging it on which housemate has it.
I agree no one should have had it, certainly no one should have got it in the first week of the series but BB did that,not Helen, she didn't ask for it just as no housemate did or would have.

However once they put it in place, for me it should be honoured fully until the final.

A free pass to the final has to mean you go to the final with no threat of eviction and are exempt from the effects of any twists to same.
Otherwise there was in fact no free pass and the whole basis for the theme of the series is null and void if it was to be taken away.
We also would have then had to endure weeks of ridiculous and unnecessary viewing across the board with total meaningless twists from BB.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I generally agree a lot with you jet but not this time sadly,.
What on earth was the point of giving any housemate a free pass to the final if it could be taken away on a whim.

It isn't just about Helen,it would have been about any housemate who got the free pass.
Are you also saying Mark should lose the £5,000 he was promised as a reward then too.

If so what is the point at all of ever having the power trip theme in the first place.

I would be saying all this still if Steven or Ashleigh had the free pass, I am not judging it on which housemate has it.
I agree no one should have had it, certainly no one should have got it in the first week of the series but BB did that,not Helen, she didn't ask for it just as no housemate did or would have.

However once they put it in place, for me it should be honoured fully until the final.

A free pass to the final has to mean you go to the final with no threat of eviction and are exempt from the effects of any twists to same.
Otherwise there was in fact no free pass and the whole basis for the theme of the series is null and void if it was to be taken away.
We also would have then had to endure weeks of ridiculous and unnecessary viewing across the board with total meaningless twists from BB.

Agree Joey

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I generally agree a lot with you jet but not this time sadly,.
What on earth was the point of giving any housemate a free pass to the final if it could be taken away on a whim.

It isn't just about Helen,it would have been about any housemate who got the free pass.
Are you also saying Mark should lose the £5,000 he was promised as a reward then too.

If so what is the point at all of ever having the power trip theme in the first place.

I would be saying all this still if Steven or Ashleigh had the free pass, I am not judging it on which housemate has it.
I agree no one should have had it, certainly no one should have got it in the first week of the series but BB did that,not Helen, she didn't ask for it just as no housemate did or would have.

However once they put it in place, for me it should be honoured fully until the final.

A free pass to the final has to mean you go to the final with no threat of eviction and are exempt from the effects of any twists to same.
Otherwise there was in fact no free pass and the whole basis for the theme of the series is null and void if it was to be taken away.
We also would have then had to endure weeks of ridiculous and unnecessary viewing across the board with total meaningless twists from BB.

I disagree Joey. As I said in another thread they haven't honored other peoples immunity, why should they honour Helen's? Neither did they stick with Jale being up every week when she got a week off, so why is it different for Helen's pass to be revoked for one week? I didn't hear of much complaining when Jale was safe for a week.

Why is it that it's okay to mess with everyone else and everything else but Helen's free pass must be sacrosanct?

And as you well know, BB do whatever they want to do. Unless Helen has a watertight contract protecting her to the final? I wouldn't like to think she has, so she is as much at their mercy as anyone else. It's not as if the public spent money voting for her pass, is it?

Furthermore, if power comes at a price, why should Helen get off scot free with no price to pay? She has had the ultimate power - the fact that no matter what she did or said no one could nominate her.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

I disagree Joey. As I said in another thread they haven't honored other peoples immunity, why should they honour Helen's? Neither did they stick with Jale being up every week when she got a week off, so why is it different for Helen's pass to be revoked for one week? I didn't hear of much complaining when Jale was safe for a week.

Why is it that it's okay to mess with everyone else and everything else but Helen's free pass must be sacrosanct?

And as you well know, BB do whatever they want to do. Unless Helen has a watertight contract protecting her to the final? I wouldn't like to think she has, so she is as much at their mercy as anyone else. It's not as if the public spent money voting for her pass, is it?

Furthermore, if power comes at a price, why should Helen get off scot free with no price to pay? She has had the ultimate power - the fact that no matter what she did or said no one could nominate her.

Of course but that is the result of BB giving a free pass in the first place,it gave one housemate a lot of power until the final.
I think it was wrong but they did it so are now and should be stuck with it.
However BB gave Pauline the power after she was selected to be the power housemate by the public,
They asked her to make 4 main decisions.
A killer nom, a reward for a housemate, a punishment for a housemate and a free pass for one for the final.

I don't in any way believe that Pauline was told to pick Helen, I do believe at that time Pauline wanted to give Helen that pass by her own decision as she did with Mark with the £5,000,the punishing of Matthew and the killer nom for Jale.
So those power trip decisions stayed in place and were carried out in full from the start of the series.

The only variation from it, was the all guys up for eviction week,with the females given the power,then for that one week only Jale was relieved of the killer nom.
Now, had BB the next week done an all female housemates up for eviction with the guys having the power, then quite legitimately they could have for that one week removed Helen's immunity for that one week only as with Jale.

That is unlikely to take place now as there are so few females left in there now but they could have done it the week straight after but they haven't.

None of that is Helen's or anyone elses fault at all however, it is BB themselves and I do think even they know that if they were to now pathetically to remove that free pass forcibly,that they will be removing all doubt that this is a mockery of a series by them and the power trip theme was a stupid idea in the first place.

I say again, I dislike Steven with a passion and also would love Ashleigh out but had either of those 2 housemates been given the free pass from Pauline, I would be still stating strongly that the free pass should stay in place if they had it too.
Out of fairness if nothing else.

[Jay.]

I would be because Helen is the only safe one there who is causing drama/being entertaining who is certain to stay. And contrary to popular opinion, I actually quite like her.

I'm not calling the twist horrible anyway, Ashleigh won't go.

[mrflibble]

The really annoying thing is that the Power Trip stuff started out quite interesting. It didn't need all the twists, because just the power itself changed the dynamics enough. Pauline and Chris's weeks were really good, but then it was like they thought it wasn't going to be exciting or interesting enough and turned it into Secrets & Lies. Without the twists you can see how much it affected the house; everyone clinging to Pauline, Helen safe with her final pass, Jale picked on with her killer nom, the paranoia with the secret PH, the turning against Chris, Pauline's gangs faces when they realised not everyone loved them, the housemates nominating Toya and then 'turning' on her when they didn't like her decisions etc. The twists were just unnecessary and made the series feel very disjointed and inconsistent.

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Of course but that is the result of BB giving a free pass in the first place,it gave one housemate a lot of power until the final.
I think it was wrong but they did it so are now and should be stuck with it.
However BB gave Pauline the power after she was selected to be the power housemate by the public,
They asked her to make 4 main decisions.
A killer nom, a reward for a housemate, a punishment for a housemate and a free pass for one for the final.

I don't in any way believe that Pauline was told to pick Helen, I do believe at that time Pauline wanted to give Helen that pass by her own decision as she did with Mark with the £5,000,the punishing of Matthew and the killer nom for Jale.
So those power trip decisions stayed in place and were carried out in full from the start of the series.

The only variation from it, was the all guys up for eviction week,with the females given the power,then for that one week only Jale was relieved of the killer nom.
Now, had BB the next week done an all female housemates up for eviction with the guys having the power, then quite legitimately they could have for that one week removed Helen's immunity for that one week only as with Jale.

That is unlikely to take place now as there are so few females left in there now but they could have done it the week straight after but they haven't.

None of that is Helen's or anyobnne elses fault at all however, it is BB themselves and I do think even they know that if they were to now pathetically to remove that free pass forcibly,that they will be removing all doubt that this is a mockery of a series by them and the power trip theme was a stupid idea in the first place.

I say again, I dislike Steven with a passion and also would love Ashleigh out but had either of those 2 housemates been given the free pass from Pauline, I would be still stating strongly that the free pass should stay in place if they had it too.
Out of fairness if nothing else.

great post, I agree with what you're saying and I also believe that no matter who had the final pass they should keep it until the end now.

[Shaun]

No, because it would be an entirely different twist...