[mizzmee]

Originally Posted by kistar

It's how she handles it though , she is 10 years older than Ashleigh for a start that's a lot of years to learn and grow , also there is a way to deal with conflict and it's not with aggression you do that when you are a toddler having a tantrum.

Clearly she hasn't listened and learnt.

She has HEARD them saying things but has not LISTENED to anyone. There is a huge difference. You can hear things and choose to listen to what you want. She has never contemplated positive criticism. When Chris said about opposites on same page, she heard that but didn't listen.
If she had listened she would have ACTED as maturly as she SAID she would. She should have ACTED like the older woman, taken Ashleigh to the side and been the mature one. She should have said look we're both as bad as each other, but let's be happy to be two strong females and get on with it.
She instead chose to bitch.

She is 27, she needs to act it. She should approach the Ashleigh situation better as she is nearly 10 years older. And if she ever did that, she could of won.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Helen is definitely a bully particularly if she doesn't get her own way.

[Fendertele]

Originally Posted by muchadoaboutnothing

Helen is definitely a bully particularly if she doesn't get her own way.

I agree, Helen likes it her way, and cannot conceive that there is any other way than Helen's, and there lies her problem, the fact that she is right even when she is clearly wrong, then her frustration of defending herself over what-ever, becomes a personal battle with who-ever has a different opinion....it goes 'round and 'round, and she never gets off the roundabout...She is trapped with-in herself...

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by Fendertele

I agree, Helen likes it her way, and cannot conceive that there is any other way than Helen's, and there lies her problem, the fact that she is right even when she is clearly wrong, then her frustration of defending herself over what-ever, becomes a personal battle with who-ever has a different opinion....it goes 'round and 'round, and she never gets off the roundabout...She is trapped with-in herself...

Very good analysis, and I agree 100%.

One other thing I'd add to the discussion is that she seriously needs to try and understand what the phrase, "slagging me/you/us off," actually means. Just because people she doesn't like talk about her, and even point out her flaws, it doesn't always equate to slagging her off. But what she tends to do is hear people discussing her, not actually listening to what they are saying, and then proclaim, "They're slagging me off!!"

I've said it before and I'll say it her again, her "journey" will begin when she leaves the house and sees how her behaviour is perceived by others. Then if she starts taking steps to fix her broken personality, that will be the start of her real journey.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

Very good analysis, and I agree 100%.

One other thing I'd add to the discussion is that she seriously needs to try and understand what the phrase, "slagging me/you/us off," actually means. Just because people she doesn't like talk about her, and even point out her flaws, it doesn't always equate to slagging her off. But what she tends to do is hear people discussing her, not actually listening to what they are saying, and then proclaim, "They're slagging me off!!"

I've said it before and I'll say it her again, her "journey" will begin when she leaves the house and sees how her behaviour is perceived by others. Then if she starts taking steps to fix her broken personality, that will be the start of her real journey.

The difference in how she reacted to Ashleigh saying she was the most difficult to live with and how Chris reacted to Pav naming him was very telling. You could see how Chris was really listening to what Pav was saying and taking it on board, not getting angry

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The difference in how she reacted to Ashleigh saying she was the most difficult to live with and how Chris reacted to Pav naming him was very telling. You could see how Chris was really listening to what Pav was saying and taking it on board, not getting angry

Exactly, that scene just made my love for Chris and dislike for Helen grow stronger!

Also, in a DR scene the other day (maybe when Ash and Christopher were in control?) Chris said he regretted how he treated the newbies when they entered. He recognised that he had been pretty dickish to them all, especially Pav. On the other hand, in a clip coming up where Helen has had media training, Helen was asked if she regrets anything in the house, and she says only being skeptical about Zoe, but she dislikes everyone else she's been mean to so doesn't care Lost cause...

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The difference in how she reacted to Ashleigh saying she was the most difficult to live with and how Chris reacted to Pav naming him was very telling. You could see how Chris was really listening to what Pav was saying and taking it on board, not getting angry

Chris is a down-to-earth, mature, reasonable adult.

Helen is an emotional train-wreck.

They're miles apart, and that's why if I had to choose a winner out of the two them it would be no contest. Chris deserves it for the way he has handled himself in the house, whereas Helen seriously needs some help. If she actually won it, I think it would be more damaging for her in the long run because she'd probably take it as meaning that people actually approved of her actions in the house.

[Kizzy]

Chris loves helens spirit and is aware she is incredibly vulnerable just under the surface, she did see emotion as weakness but I think that's changed so she has grown.

[Northern Monkey]

Helen and Ashleigh will both see attributes in themselves that they don't like when they watch back and may even say to themselves 'right i'm not gonna be like that anymore' or 'i'm gonna listen more' but then they will forget all that,Party hard and carry on as normal because changing their whole character is a big ask for anyone.

[Patricia4]

Ash will be gone they wont stay friends for long.
Helen like's a audience and like's to be the centre of attention if she isn't she then turns like the tide I think deep down she does have a soft spot but you need to dig very very deep.

[Yaki da]

She won't grow, partly because people just forgive and forget as though everything she did never happened.