[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I agree that some people get a little bit insulting with name calling....but it's no good having a go at people then insulting them in your last sentance. Pot..kettle..black.

Well said - Posters who live in glass houses shouldn't chuck eggs.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg

This forum has been much more vile than any of the housemates. All I've heard for the last 3 weeks is disgusting comments about the housemates that are disliked. Kelly the bad ******, dee the fat sponger, and James the obvious homosexual. It's so easy to be vile behind the safety of your anonymity. All I can conclude is that the majority of you are daily star reading 12 year olds.

Apart from having to read your offensive post, all I want to say is that you are wrong, end of story.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by calyman

Apart from having to read your offensive post, all I want to say is that you are wrong, end of story.

[Chuckyegg]

To be a part of it is to condone it and my exit is long overdue

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg

To be a part of it is to condone it and my exit is long overdue

Please tell me then, whether you continued watching CBB14 after the first 4 days , when it became very apparent that the majority of the house were unashamedly ill-treating a disabled, helpless old man? Or did you exit so that you were not a part of it and were therefore not condoning it?

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg

To be a part of it is to condone it and my exit is long overdue

Yet you stayed to the end and longer!

Bye then!

I'm not going to even try to explain to you why your self-righteous little rant is a joke in itself because you won't get it and to be perfectly honest i can't be bothered!

[Shaun]

^ it happens every series unfortunately, but please don't let the unpleasant vocal minority put you off the forum.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Shaun

^ it happens every series unfortunately, but please don't let the unpleasant vocal minority put you off the forum.

No, you're absolutely right, none of us Gary/Audley supporters (the MAJORITY OF THIS FORUM)have ever let the unpleasant vocal minority put us off the forum - we're still here and still vocal.

[Pete.]

Frenchy fans made up the majority of the forum tbh

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No, you're absolutely right, none of us Gary/Audley supporters (the MAJORITY OF THIS FORUM)have ever let the unpleasant vocal minority put us off the forum - we're still here and still vocal.

Because 'The ignorance displayed by that fat, guttersnipe, thieving parasite, Truffle Pig Dee Kelly, whilst Gary was being interviewed was shameful, as was the 'sour grapes' sniping by James 'I dance in the closet' Jordan. ' is pleasant.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Because 'The ignorance displayed by that fat, guttersnipe, thieving parasite, Truffle Pig Dee Kelly, whilst Gary was being interviewed was shameful, as was the 'sour grapes' sniping by James 'I dance in the closet' Jordan. ' is pleasant.

???? Are you in agreement now? Thank you. There is a gulf of difference between merited 'arms length' unpleasantness and ridicule in a critical post of 'celebrities' at large in the big wide world, who have the option of reading that post or not, than the 'hands on' unwarranted callous hostilty, ignorance and bullying of a 70 year old disabled man who is trapped for 3 weeks in the same small house as the perpetrators.

[Jules2]

[QUOTE=kirklancaster;7267742]No, you're absolutely right, none of us Gary/Audley supporters (the MAJORITY OF THIS FORUM)have ever let the unpleasant vocal minority put us off the forum - we're still here and still vocal. [/QUOTE


Well to all the GARY fans I applaud you and I thank you for your comments, I agree totally with everything which has been said. It could have been so different had they treated him as an equal instead of looking down on him.

He had to put up with their adolescent behaviour, I dont suppose he thought he would be in the middle of that. A middleaged man and woman trying their hardest to keep in with the young instead of realising that they had to grow up. Age comes to all and I fear for them (nah I dont really) as they get older.

With Dee I did wonder you know, Denise won her round but she was horrible to the American in there, she turned the others against him, did Dee think she would win by doing the same thing? I detested Denise from that day on she really showed her true colours, she was another one who couldnt grow up gracefully.

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Jules2;7267949]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No, you're absolutely right, none of us Gary/Audley supporters (the MAJORITY OF THIS FORUM)have ever let the unpleasant vocal minority put us off the forum - we're still here and still vocal. [/QUOTE


Well to all the GARY fans I applaud you and I thank you for your comments, I agree totally with everything which has been said. It could have been so different had they treated him as an equal instead of looking down on him.

He had to put up with their adolescent behaviour, I dont suppose he thought he would be in the middle of that. A middleaged man and woman trying their hardest to keep in with the young instead of realising that they had to grow up. Age comes to all and I fear for them (nah I dont really) as they get older.

With Dee I did wonder you know, Denise won her round but she was horrible to the American in there, she turned the others against him, did Dee think she would win by doing the same thing? I detested Denise from that day on she really showed her true colours, she was another one who couldnt grow up gracefully.

Again - True and balanced.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Can all those on here who took me (and others) to task for being"too serious" in accusing James, Dee, Edele, Ricci and George of being vile bullies to Gary Busey, because it was only "a game", explain, why then, when the 'game' was over and the show ended, they all continued to slag the poor guy off and humiliated him in front of his wife and family? The ignorance displayed by that fat, guttersnipe, thieving parasite, Truffle Pig Dee Kelly, whilst Gary was being interviewed was shameful, as was the 'sour grapes' sniping by James 'I dance in the closet' Jordan.

The best man won and the right man came second.

You have no right to call anyone a bully when you're here bullying them now

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

You have no right to call anyone a bully when you're here bullying them now

????? I am bullying them now? I have read your other posts in which you defend James & co. and refuse to see anything wrong in their utterly cowardly bullying behaviour - that, to me, is real reassurance, when you now perceive me to be a bully, that I am anything but. Thank you.

[Ultimist]

As a Gary fan, I've never said he is perfect. I'm sure some of the issues brought up by other housemates had at least *some* truth to them.

However,

I found that in many cases, they were exaggerating, and sometimes outright lying, as when Dee denied calling Gary a bitter old man.

I fully understand that some of Gary's habits may have been hard to live with... but I still say when someone is that age, has had a brain injury and several surgeries, has a profound hearing problem, the best thing you can do for them is CUT THEM SOME SLACK. Life is difficult enough for someone in that condition. They don't need a bunch of heartless, selfish, immature and verbally abusive people getting on their case, ON TOP OF what they already have to deal with on a daily basis.

It's called understanding and compassion, people.

Elderly people sometimes lose control of their bodily functions. It comes with age. YOUR body will deteriorate over time, as well... Everyone's eventually does, and I can bet that at that time, you will want people to be understanding of what you're going through.

Gary took everything people said on board, and tried to meet their requirements. He clearly tried to make improvements once an issue was made clear to him.

Conversely, do you think for one moment that James would try to NOT act so pompous and better than everyone else, if he were asked to do so?

Do you think Dee would take criticism on board and try to change if she were told what was wrong with her? HELL NO.

Do you think "poor little" Leslie could be told all the things he does wrong, and then learn to appreciate the feedback and use it to improve himself?

Gary is MILES ahead of the rest of them, as far as self-awareness goes. And he's humble, not a braggart like the rest of them. He doesn't pretend to be better than the rest of them, but nearly all of them pretend to be better than him.

As I mentioned in another thread, just look at the way he spoke lovely things about all of them, even though they've done nothing but complain about him, call him every name in the book, and slag him off in every way possible. That's the difference between someone with class, and someone who needs to attend a few (classes).

The right person won CBB Summer 2014. If you don't like that fact, there's little you can do, and I'm laughing at you.

No one's going to bully ME.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ultimist

As a Gary fan, I've never said he is perfect. I'm sure some of the issues brought up by other housemates had at least *some* truth to them.

However,

I found that in many cases, they were exaggerating, and sometimes outright lying, as when Dee denied calling Gary a bitter old man.

I fully understand that some of Gary's habits may have been hard to live with... but I still say when someone is that age, has had a brain injury and several surgeries, has a profound hearing problem, the best thing you can do for them is CUT THEM SOME SLACK. Life is difficult enough for someone in that condition. They don't need a bunch of heartless, selfish, immature and verbally abusive people getting on their case, ON TOP OF what they already have to deal with on a daily basis.

It's called understanding and compassion, people.

Elderly people sometimes lose control of their bodily functions. It comes with age. YOUR body will deteriorate over time, as well... Everyone's eventually does, and I can bet that at that time, you will want people to be understanding of what you're going through.

Gary took everything people said on board, and tried to meet their requirements. He clearly tried to make improvements once an issue was made clear to him.

Conversely, do you think for one moment that James would try to NOT act so pompous and better than everyone else, if he were asked to do so?

Do you think Dee would take criticism on board and try to change if she were told what was wrong with her? HELL NO.

Do you think "poor little" Leslie could be told all the things he does wrong, and then learn to appreciate the feedback and use it to improve himself?

Gary is MILES ahead of the rest of them, as far as self-awareness goes. And he's humble, not a braggart like the rest of them. He doesn't pretend to be better than the rest of them, but nearly all of them pretend to be better than him.

As I mentioned in another thread, just look at the way he spoke lovely things about all of them, even though they've done nothing but complain about him, call him every name in the book, and slag him off in every way possible. That's the difference between someone with class, and someone who needs to attend a few (classes).

The right person won CBB Summer 2014. If you don't like that fact, there's little you can do, and I'm laughing at you.

No one's going to bully ME.

Always the voice of reason.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Ultimist

As a Gary fan, I've never said he is perfect. I'm sure some of the issues brought up by other housemates had at least *some* truth to them.

However,

I found that in many cases, they were exaggerating, and sometimes outright lying, as when Dee denied calling Gary a bitter old man.

I fully understand that some of Gary's habits may have been hard to live with... but I still say when someone is that age, has had a brain injury and several surgeries, has a profound hearing problem, the best thing you can do for them is CUT THEM SOME SLACK. Life is difficult enough for someone in that condition. They don't need a bunch of heartless, selfish, immature and verbally abusive people getting on their case, ON TOP OF what they already have to deal with on a daily basis.

It's called understanding and compassion, people.

Elderly people sometimes lose control of their bodily functions. It comes with age. YOUR body will deteriorate over time, as well... Everyone's eventually does, and I can bet that at that time, you will want people to be understanding of what you're going through.

Gary took everything people said on board, and tried to meet their requirements. He clearly tried to make improvements once an issue was made clear to him.

Conversely, do you think for one moment that James would try to NOT act so pompous and better than everyone else, if he were asked to do so?

Do you think Dee would take criticism on board and try to change if she were told what was wrong with her? HELL NO.

Do you think "poor little" Leslie could be told all the things he does wrong, and then learn to appreciate the feedback and use it to improve himself?

Gary is MILES ahead of the rest of them, as far as self-awareness goes. And he's humble, not a braggart like the rest of them. He doesn't pretend to be better than the rest of them, but nearly all of them pretend to be better than him.

As I mentioned in another thread, just look at the way he spoke lovely things about all of them, even though they've done nothing but complain about him, call him every name in the book, and slag him off in every way possible. That's the difference between someone with class, and someone who needs to attend a few (classes).

The right person won CBB Summer 2014. If you don't like that fact, there's little you can do, and I'm laughing at you.

No one's going to bully ME.

Very good post. James is undoubtedly a very unpleasant man, although not so young as he clearly sees himself.

[puzzled]

Originally Posted by Ultimist

As a Gary fan, I've never said he is perfect. I'm sure some of the issues brought up by other housemates had at least *some* truth to them.

However,

I found that in many cases, they were exaggerating, and sometimes outright lying, as when Dee denied calling Gary a bitter old man.

I fully understand that some of Gary's habits may have been hard to live with... but I still say when someone is that age, has had a brain injury and several surgeries, has a profound hearing problem, the best thing you can do for them is CUT THEM SOME SLACK. Life is difficult enough for someone in that condition. They don't need a bunch of heartless, selfish, immature and verbally abusive people getting on their case, ON TOP OF what they already have to deal with on a daily basis.

It's called understanding and compassion, people.

Elderly people sometimes lose control of their bodily functions. It comes with age. YOUR body will deteriorate over time, as well... Everyone's eventually does, and I can bet that at that time, you will want people to be understanding of what you're going through.

Gary took everything people said on board, and tried to meet their requirements. He clearly tried to make improvements once an issue was made clear to him.

Conversely, do you think for one moment that James would try to NOT act so pompous and better than everyone else, if he were asked to do so?

Do you think Dee would take criticism on board and try to change if she were told what was wrong with her? HELL NO.

Do you think "poor little" Leslie could be told all the things he does wrong, and then learn to appreciate the feedback and use it to improve himself?

Gary is MILES ahead of the rest of them, as far as self-awareness goes. And he's humble, not a braggart like the rest of them. He doesn't pretend to be better than the rest of them, but nearly all of them pretend to be better than him.

As I mentioned in another thread, just look at the way he spoke lovely things about all of them, even though they've done nothing but complain about him, call him every name in the book, and slag him off in every way possible. That's the difference between someone with class, and someone who needs to attend a few (classes).

The right person won CBB Summer 2014. If you don't like that fact, there's little you can do, and I'm laughing at you.

No one's going to bully ME.

Excellent. All the housemates, except for Audley, Frenchy, and maybe Claire, used the excuse that Gary's faults, most of them due to his disability, gave them the right to yell at him, humiliate him, and slag him off in perpetuity. If that were acceptable, can you imagine what life in a care home would be like? This was a social experiment and most of the HMs failed miserably, but the GBP got it right.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Ultimist

As a Gary fan, I've never said he is perfect. I'm sure some of the issues brought up by other housemates had at least *some* truth to them.

However,

I found that in many cases, they were exaggerating, and sometimes outright lying, as when Dee denied calling Gary a bitter old man.

I fully understand that some of Gary's habits may have been hard to live with... but I still say when someone is that age, has had a brain injury and several surgeries, has a profound hearing problem, the best thing you can do for them is CUT THEM SOME SLACK. Life is difficult enough for someone in that condition. They don't need a bunch of heartless, selfish, immature and verbally abusive people getting on their case, ON TOP OF what they already have to deal with on a daily basis.

It's called understanding and compassion, people.

Elderly people sometimes lose control of their bodily functions. It comes with age. YOUR body will deteriorate over time, as well... Everyone's eventually does, and I can bet that at that time, you will want people to be understanding of what you're going through.

Gary took everything people said on board, and tried to meet their requirements. He clearly tried to make improvements once an issue was made clear to him.

Conversely, do you think for one moment that James would try to NOT act so pompous and better than everyone else, if he were asked to do so?

Do you think Dee would take criticism on board and try to change if she were told what was wrong with her? HELL NO.

Do you think "poor little" Leslie could be told all the things he does wrong, and then learn to appreciate the feedback and use it to improve himself?

Gary is MILES ahead of the rest of them, as far as self-awareness goes. And he's humble, not a braggart like the rest of them. He doesn't pretend to be better than the rest of them, but nearly all of them pretend to be better than him.

As I mentioned in another thread, just look at the way he spoke lovely things about all of them, even though they've done nothing but complain about him, call him every name in the book, and slag him off in every way possible. That's the difference between someone with class, and someone who needs to attend a few (classes).

The right person won CBB Summer 2014. If you don't like that fact, there's little you can do, and I'm laughing at you.

No one's going to bully ME.

Well said Ultimist.

[Mick]

Interesting thread.This CBB has shown the best and worst human behaviours from some HMs.So its not surprising that some members of this forum could be deemed to have been OTT with things they have posted.

I don't know about you guys but when I start a thread its because I am genuinely interested in getting a response and reading other members reasoned thoughts on the subject and I feel there is a better chance of this happening if we remember that its not what we say but how we present it which counts,not only about the HMs but in our interactions with each other.

I have enjoyed sharing with the vast majority on here and on the very few occasions when this has not been so I ignore.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mick

Interesting thread.This CBB has shown the best and worst human behaviours from some HMs.So its not surprising that some members of this forum could be deemed to have been OTT with things they have posted.

I don't know about you guys but when I start a thread its because I am genuinely interested in getting a response and reading other members reasoned thoughts on the subject and I feel there is a better chance of this happening if we remember that its not what we say but how we present it which counts,not only about the HMs but in our interactions with each other.

I have enjoyed sharing with the vast majority on here and on the very few occasions when this has not been so I ignore.

Also wise words. I think there has been name calling on all sides which can escalate with retaliation. I've always tried to state the truth as I've seen it on the show but I do confess to throwing in some insufferable twats and nasty bitch comments about James and Dee. Sometimes it is hard to contain your temper when behaviour is so bad you can barely believe what you are watching then you come to talk about and someone condones what you find abhorrant. I guess people just need an outlet to vent sometimes.

[Suze]

Some posters do tend to and are bound to get carried away during reality shows when they give their support to contestants, see stuff going on, and can't intervene, so it just can get so frustrating and the producers push the right buttons and probably love our reactions, which is why and I can only speak for myself I tend to cut other posters some slack unless I think they are verging into libel territory and try to repond to their posts in as respectful a manner as I can and even try to ingest some humour into posts if I can whilst also trying to get points across about what I interpret about contestants.

We have every right to scrutinise contestants and what we see as going on in that house, but think we just have to realise some posters do get overly emotionally involved in such shows and do realise that themselves, so I don't give others a hard time I hope. It's like a school tiff in the playground and we are all buddies again the following week

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Suze

Some posters do tend to and are bound to get carried away during reality shows when they give their support to contestants, see stuff going on, and can't intervene, so it just can get so frustrating and the producers push the right buttons and probably love our reactions, which is why and I can only speak for myself I tend to cut other posters some slack unless I think they are verging into libel territory and try to repond to their posts in as respectful a manner as I can and even try to ingest some humour into posts if I can whilst also trying to get points across about what I interpret about contestants.

We have every right to scrutinise contestants and what we see as going on in that house, but think we just have to realise some posters do get overly emotionally involved in such shows and do realise that themselves, so I don't give them a hard time. It's like a school tiff in the playground and we are all buddies again the following week

WOW!! Succinctly and brilliantly put.

[Tip]

Any BB/CBB forums are all part of the social experiment to me - I agree they can hold loads of unpleasantness sometimes more than you will ever see in the BB house - but it's all part of the same exposure of human nature and response.