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Liam- · 24-12-2014, 09:12 PM

I'm not being funny, but he was killed because he took aim at police with a very real gun, this is not like the other case where an unarmed man was killed, this is totally different, it's also got nothing to do with the 'victim's' race.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters · 24-12-2014, 09:19 PM

I'm not being funny, but how do you know that these murders (and that is what they are) are not racially motivated

Niall · 24-12-2014, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NoëlEdmonds

I'm not being funny, but he was killed because he took aim at police with a very real gun, this is not like the other case where an unarmed man was killed, this is totally different, it's also got nothing to do with the 'victim's' race.

He was unarmed, with his mother and girlfriend when the police shot him, and when he was laying there dying they not only refused to let his fucking Mum comfort him but they just called crowd control instead of medical assistance.

Couple that with the fact that the St Louis police has been exposed as having connections with the fucking KKK, then you tell me that these killings aren't racially motivated. go on. I bloody well dare you.

Creggle · 24-12-2014, 09:55 PM

A lawful killing of a person attempting to take an officers life leads to numerous people rioting and trying to smash up innocent businesses, AGAIN. They even threw fireworks at a petrol station... Pls give your riot response m60s America k thx.

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Originally Posted by Niall

He was unarmed, with his mother and girlfriend when the police shot him, and when he was laying there dying they not only refused to let his fucking Mum comfort him but they just called crowd control instead of medical assistance.

Couple that with the fact that the St Louis police has been exposed as having connections with the fucking KKK, then you tell me that these killings aren't racially motivated. go on. I bloody well dare you.

They aren't racially motivated, people suicide via cop all the time in America, stop grasping onto the fact that some of them are black, it's racist in of itself. Racism will always be there when it's constantly bought up for no reason, it will never die out for as long as there are fanatics that scream racism at the drop of a hat.

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Originally Posted by RoseMcGowan

I'm not being funny, but how do you know that these murders (and that is what they are) are not racially motivated

So if somebody tries to kill you and you kill them instead that is murder? I hope you're never in a situation where you have to defend yourself scott because it sounds like you'd rather be the one that is killed :/

arista · 24-12-2014, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RoseMcGowan

apparently the cop was issued a bodycam but he had it turned off at the time of the shooting

Well Good job the Petrol Station had CCTV

arista · 24-12-2014, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Niall

I don't get how the American police keep getting away with this time after time after time. It's a complete testament to how racism is so deep seated in society that this is happening over and over.

On this case
The Police were correct
the Youth Pointed a Gun at them
he could have killed the 2 cops
so a Cop had to shoot fast

Creggle · 24-12-2014, 11:04 PM

Artista

Ninastar · 24-12-2014, 11:05 PM

if the police were really racist, there would be a HELL of a lot more black people being killed

Fetch The Bolt Cutters · 24-12-2014, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwreatha

if the police were really racist, there would be a HELL of a lot more black people being killed

Creggle · 24-12-2014, 11:12 PM

Swear this forum is like reading a YouTube comment section sometimes

Niall · 24-12-2014, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

On this case
The Police were correct
the Youth Pointed a Gun at them
he could have killed the 2 cops
so a Cop had to shoot fast

I don't care that doesn't justify ****ing shooting someone to death. If German cops can regularly defuse armed standoffs without murdering someone then so can the ****ing American cops.

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Originally Posted by Urwreatha

if the police were really racist, there would be a HELL of a lot more black people being killed

SINCE 2009 the American police have MURDERED the following black people

BYE

Niall · 24-12-2014, 11:19 PM

And that list has been added to since it was completed, so in fact they've murdered more people than that.

Brother Leon · 24-12-2014, 11:20 PM

This is a completely different case tbf. Michael Brown and Eric Garner were unlawfully killed and those officers should be locked up, but is guy asked for it. This is getting too messy now.

Niall · 24-12-2014, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Creggle

They aren't racially motivated, people suicide via cop all the time in America, stop grasping onto the fact that some of them are black, it's racist in of itself. Racism will always be there when it's constantly bought up for no reason, it will never die out for as long as there are fanatics that scream racism at the drop of a hat.

I'm not grasping at it at all. Between 2010-2012 there were 31 shootings by police for black people per million. For whites? Just 1. 1. Tell me that's not racially motivated. Go-on. Tell me.

It's not racist to call out institutions that contribute heavily to institutionalised racism like the police do in states when it comes to people of colour. I'm actually pointing out the obvious. I'm not a fanatic, all you need do is a little research and you'd see well enough how the American cops are skewed in the favour of whites.

If white teenage boys were being shot left right and centre by the cops like this then there would be mass outrage. But of course, it's people of colour being murdered here.

Marsh. · 24-12-2014, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Niall

I'm not grasping at it at all. Between 2010-2012 there were 31 shootings by police for black people per million. For whites? Just 1. 1. Tell me that's not racially motivated. Go-on. Tell me.

It's not racist to call out institutions that contribute heavily to institutionalised racism like the police do in states when it comes to people of colour. I'm actually pointing out the obvious. I'm not a fanatic, all you need do is a little research and you'd see well enough how the American cops are skewed in the favour of whites.

Maybe there were simply more black criminals.

Niall · 24-12-2014, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmarsh.

Maybe there were simply more black criminals.

I seriously doubt that would be the sole reason for a 30 fold increase in shootings for black people.

Even if there was more instances of crime for people of colour, you need only look at how the police in the states deal with criminals to see the problem. White criminals are often taken down and imprisoned, whereas blacks are gone after with lethal force for relatively lesser crimes.

Ninastar · 24-12-2014, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Niall

I don't care that doesn't justify ****ing shooting someone to death. If German cops can regularly defuse armed standoffs without murdering someone then so can the ****ing American cops.

SINCE 2009 the American police have MURDERED the following black people

BYE

murdered? i bet 75% of them had guns on them/were ready to kill the cops too.

and as mentioned, this is completely different. people are just grasping at straws now

and as for that list, I'd love to see a graph/list/whatever made of all the police men/women killed on duty since 2009. I bet it's a lot higher.

Ninastar · 24-12-2014, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Leon

This is a completely different case tbf. Michael Brown and Eric Garner were unlawfully killed and those officers should be locked up, but is guy asked for it. This is getting too messy now.

glad you think so

its nice to see that you're not just following what the internet says and you can make up a mind of your own

Niall · 24-12-2014, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwreatha

murdered? i bet 75% of them had guns on them/were ready to kill the cops too.

and as mentioned, this is completely different. people are just grasping at straws now

and as for that list, I'd love to see a graph/list/whatever made of all the police men/women killed on duty since 2009. I bet it's a lot higher.

Yes murdered. And often enough not really: again, like i said before police in the states have shown time and again with white criminals that they're perfectly able to diffuse an armed standoff without putting the criminal in a bodybag. So why can't they do the same with people of colour?

This isn't any different anyway. He wasn't armed. He was attacked and left to die. Like Michael. Like Eric. And even if he was armed, that's no way to bring someone to justice. It's absolutely disgusting.

Ninastar · 24-12-2014, 11:48 PM

we'll just have to agree to disagree. this isnt something we will ever agree on...

Northern Monkey · 25-12-2014, 12:08 AM

Maybe the white guys are'nt the ones running around petrol stations and the streets with guns.......Just sayin'.To get shot by the police you have to put yourself in that situation in the first place.I seriously doubt the police go around America hunting for black guys to shoot.They're not this guy -
http://youtu.be/vTLQdcf9DWc

arista · 25-12-2014, 12:09 AM

"I don't care that doesn't justify ****ing shooting someone to death."

You can not change America
it is built by the Gun

Shaun · 25-12-2014, 12:16 AM

It's 2014, how is CCTV footage still that grainy

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Originally Posted by Brother Leon

This is a completely different case tbf. Michael Brown and Eric Garner were unlawfully killed and those officers should be locked up, but is guy asked for it. This is getting too messy now.

Basically.